YIKES I'm sure DM and DW will bring it but this is NOT something I want to see.

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Angie's baby is stillborn. Brot finds an abandoned baby. Jesse decides to tell Angie that baby is hers. The baby is Maya's (the new young, pretty Chandler maid).

Kreizman calls this the most emotional story they've told so far on AMC; it wasn't an easy decision - pros & cons were weighed. They wanted the audience really invested in the happiness and the baby here for impact. Jesse takes Angie to the place they got married in back in 1983. She goes into labor. Something isn't right with the baby. Brot arrives on the scene. Jesse is holding the dead baby when he hears a baby cry. It's a baby that was left in Brot's patrol car. A desperate Jesse decides he has to spare Angie. Morgan and Williams are over the moon about the material. Morgan notes if Angie could see this deception wouldn't have worked. As is, she's in heaven, so happy as Jesse goes through the motions for her sake. There's a scene where Jesse returns to where he buried his child to beg for forgiveness (the cameramen were crying). Jesse wants the dead child to have the name Ellie, so convinces Angie to call the baby somehting else - they decide on Lucy. How long will this secret stay hidden? With David around who knows...

Edited March 24, 201114 yr by alexisfan07

"Kreizman calls this the most emotional story they've told so far on AMC; it wasn't an easy decision - pros & cons were weighed."

Oh please. What a bunch of hogwash. They could have came up with something else.

True. That's what happen to Fetus Boy. Tuesday, he was dead. Wednesday, the Kane family was celebrating at Bianca's wedding shower.

That was just awful. They made their bed and they should have suffered through the restless nights. They took the easy way out and that was tackier than the s/l itself.

I guess what bothers me, beyond the strong potential for character assassination (I know some would say Jesse has already been ruined but this is a whole other level, potentially) is the possibility for sadism. Sadism is something that McTavish was totally unable to control in her writing and it just became pure hell.

I don't know if viewers really want to see Angie with this type of storyline. If you think about it, Angie has suffered for most of her life, and not in the soap opera glamorous way of a trail of dead husbands as she summers in Cannes or wherever. I'm not saying that it is sadistic for viewers to want to see this story for Angie, and I'm not saying that it's wrong for people to want to see this, because it's not, it's just drama. But right now when the canvas is already kind of short of a positive family unit, this might be what drives more viewers away, once and for all. And if the show is already ending, then the story would bother me even more, because what a harrowing note for such an iconic couple to go out on.

Angie gave up her sight for nothing. Not that, that wasn't great, cause it's so Angie, but it makes that storyline even more contrived.

Or devastating.

Again, on paper, there is so much meat here but we'll probably get served nothing but gristle (that Debbi and hopefully Darnell will season the hell out of).

On the one hand, I feel this latest contrivance smacks of desperation on the part of the show and Frons.

On the other hand...? I must admit, I do get a tiny thrill in being vindicated. I said Dave and Donna were hacks when Frons hired them. If this ish doesn't prove it....

And if the show is already ending, then the story would bother me even more, because what a harrowing note for such an iconic couple to go out on.

True.

True. That's what happen to Fetus Boy. Tuesday, he was dead. Wednesday, the Kane family was celebrating at Bianca's wedding shower.

Fetus Boy was something AMC was ashamed off thus the quick dismissal.

These days death is a way to bypass drama. A few shock value scenes of killing, rushed through, and that's it. No followup, nothing. They think that having the death is enough story all on its own.

On GH? yes, on AMC? IDK. I think they did a good job with Kendall's mourning the first couple of months despite piling on (shooting David, ticker dying, ambulance accident). This is a real death, not a David death, not even a soap death - well unless McTavish is back re:Josh, lol. I think it's going to have a lot of impact initially and at the end if they don't completely backburn it or make it about David or some ex from the past being a cartoon villain.

See, I don't really see it that way. That enormous buildup and the devastating let down of losing the child is drama.

Really, nobody was expecting this. We were all expecting happiness on the backburner and some flakey sight back story, lol. Were we or were we not? Getting us to where we had no doubt about the baby and were maybe looking forward to it and taking it away, it does create that much more impact and drama.

Problem is, this story rests in these writers' often incapable hands. You can't half step a story like this, you can't skip beats. Honestly, it's the acting (particularly from Morgan) more than anything that intrigues me here, this is some Greek/O'Neil-type material for them to play.

I agree. There's a good thought process there but who knows what they'll do with it in full fruition.

I just feel like this is going to do irrepairable damage to J&A. This show doesn't have one good ESTABLISHED couple outside of J&A and I don't count Jerica cause they're toxic

Indeed!

And all the entire debacle will only serve to do is further assassinate Jesse on every level, make Angie look like an idiot, severely compromise Brot (and definitely end Brotalia) & ignore Frankie/Randi/Cassandra.

Exactly! I feel like this is going to destroy Jesse completely. Some say it's not OOC for him, maybe not, but it still won't do his character any favors, nor Brot's.

This is just disgusting, I'm sorry. We basically endured the ridiculous Blind Pregnant Angie story for nothing.

How many tasteless baby switches can daytime do in a five to ten year span?

I'm trying to think of a way Jesse can make it through this storyline without being very damaged and I haven't really thought of anything. I think it would have been better if the baby was born with some type of defect/medical condition and Jesse just lied about that for a while and then Angie found out, got mad at him but they ulimately dealt with it.

Or if the writers wanted things to be more dramatic they could have done a storyline where Jesse thought the baby had died. Like maybe there was an accident or a fire or some type of disaster where Angie ended up giving birth in the midst of and Jesse ends up saving her,but is unable to save their child (after the child is born). Jesse thinks the baby died (but we find out later that someone rescued the baby, maybe like a new recurring character, who be might be "off" in some ways, but who wouldn't hurt the child) and ends up taking the Maya's baby.

Because he was very traumatized and in some ways unable to handle the loss of his and Angie's baby girl. Maybe Jesse is so traumatized after what he thinks happens to the baby and worried for Angie that he has a mini breakdown or kind of loses it. And then he takes Maya's baby and gives it to Angie, letting her believe it's their baby.

Something like that might could make Jesse look more sympathetic as he's dealing with the traumatic way he thinks their baby died. And would show that he was unable to deal with the loss, and like Angie was unable to say good-bye to the baby. Then eventually Angie/Jesse could find out her baby was alive and get their back after Angie deals with Jesse's lie and after maybe Maya/the baby's father takes possibly takes Lucy back.

I think that maybe something like that would have made Jesse look more sympathetic and Angie/Jesse after dealing with a lot of drama and sadness could have gotten their kid back.

But with the way it seems like things are going with this upcoming storyline for Angie/Jesse, I could see Jesse coming out of this storyline looking pretty bad.

Edited March 24, 201114 yr by xtr

I guess what bothers me, beyond the strong potential for character assassination (I know some would say Jesse has already been ruined but this is a whole other level, potentially) is the possibility for sadism. Sadism is something that McTavish was totally unable to control in her writing and it just became pure hell.

I don't know if viewers really want to see Angie with this type of storyline. If you think about it, Angie has suffered for most of her life, and not in the soap opera glamorous way of a trail of dead husbands as she summers in Cannes or wherever. I'm not saying that it is sadistic for viewers to want to see this story for Angie, and I'm not saying that it's wrong for people to want to see this, because it's not, it's just drama. But right now when the canvas is already kind of short of a positive family unit, this might be what drives more viewers away, once and for all. And if the show is already ending, then the story would bother me even more, because what a harrowing note for such an iconic couple to go out on.

THIS!

To me this feels like once again Frons wanting something good on AMC decimated. It's what this show does.

I'm trying to think of a way Jesse can make it through this storyline without being very damaged

I think Jesse was far more despicable with the other family than here...

And while it is wrong for him to lie to Angie and keep the baby, maybe it won't look so bad since the baby has been abandoned... it would definitely be different if he went out and took someone's child but if the idea is this child was in essence thrown away maybe Jesse won't look too bad here.

Your scenario sounds so good.

Edited March 24, 201114 yr by Sleepy

See, I don't really see it that way. That enormous buildup and the devastating let down of losing the child is drama. Problem is, this story rests in these writers' often incapable hands. You can't half step a story like this, you can't skip beats. Honestly, it's the acting (particularly from Morgan) more than anything that intrigues me here, this is some Greek/O'Neil-type material for them to play. Good people do awful things for what they see as the right reasons and the writers really need to have Jesse's back here. Erica stole Maria's baby out of spite because she lost her own and caught her husband cheating with her, Jesse takes an abandoned baby to replace his wife's stillborn childhood "out of love", it's all [!@#$%^&*] up no matter how you look at it but it comes down to intentions I suppose. Susan Lucci disliked her s/l, Darnell Williams is "over the moon" about his, he's good guy Jesse who has already suffered some hits to his integrity, she's Erica Kane, people expect her to be devious and she'll always come out on top, oy...

I'm as conflicted as you are. I'm hoping that Broderick will have some influence here because I have no faith in these writers.

But I just keep seeing this anger that Jesse and Angie are being written as anything less then perfect and I can't get on board with that. Sure they could've given J&A a child with Down's but I don't know how that translates into drama worth watching on a show that has more kids than Romper Room. Not to mention that leaves them with no real interaction with anybody else. And how is that not "piling on?" (Honestly anything that happens to Angie as long as she's blind is "piling on.")

If neither Jesse nor Angie is allowed to do anything wrong or stupid, then what the hell are they supposed to do on this show besides listen to everybody else's problems? Or mess with David which only makes them look self-righteous and annoying. What story is there for J&A? They aren't going to flirt with other characters or break up the way Jackson/Erica, Tad/KWAK, KWAK/Adam and every other couple/character in their peer group has. They don't have any ex-lovers on the canvas so no drama there. Angie sure isn't going to work at Fusion. Jesse isn't going to go to work at Cortlandt, Chandler or the casino and since he's a cop, he's at everybody else's beck and call just like Derek was.

What story do these two characters get that's about them if they aren't allowed to screw up?

Edited March 24, 201114 yr by marceline

Honestly, it just seems like one demeaning storyline for the Hubbards after another. Jesse the bigamist, Jesse the impotent police chief, Blind Pregnant Angie, now Jesse the baby thief, sure to ham his way to the moon. I didn't believe Jesse could run around as a bigamist and pro for hire, and I don't believe he could do this. I'm with Dee. It is not an issue of "boring happy coupledom," it is not an issue of them not making mistakes, it is an issue of giving the couple a story that works without relying on stale, tacky dead baby tropes which were already as old as the hills by the time OLTL introduced little Sam Manning/Tommy McBain, or mutilating their characters to make those stories work. There are a million and one exciting things AMC could've done - including the aforementioned flirtation with someone like David. They chose to do something this gruesome and exploitative, for the umpteenth time. I don't consider that equality, I just consider it bad story no matter what race the character is.

Edited March 24, 201114 yr by Vee

Honestly, it just seems like one demeaning storyline for the Hubbards after another. Jesse the bigamist, Jesse the impotent police chief, Blind Pregnant Angie, now Jesse the baby thief, sure to ham his way to the moon. I didn't believe Jesse could run around as a bigamist and pro for hire, and I don't believe he could do this. I'm with Dee. It is not an issue of "boring happy coupledom," it is not an issue of them not making mistakes, it is an issue of giving the couple a story that works without relying on stale, tacky dead baby tropes which were already as old as the hills by the time OLTL introduced little Sam Manning/Tommy McBain, or mutilating their characters to make those stories work. There are a million and one exciting things AMC could've done - including the aforementioned flirtation with someone like David. They chose to do something this gruesome and exploitative, for the umpteenth time. I don't consider that equality, I just consider it bad story no matter what race the character is.

You're on a roll too LOL

To me this feels like once again Frons wanting something good on AMC decimated. It's what this show does.

It doesn't feel at all like that to me. I don't see why Frons would care if J/A have a baby and are put back on the back-burner. I think he'd prefer that, particularly the back-burner part. It feels more to me like they want to give the older, African-American veterans credible story and see if it'll help the show.

But right now when the canvas is already kind of short of a positive family unit, this might be what drives more viewers away, once and for all. And if the show is already ending, then the story would bother me even more, because what a harrowing note for such an iconic couple to go out on.

A big problem AMC has right now is that it's not fun or humorous. Humor was such a big part of AMC and while the show isn't as tedious as it was under B&E, it's still not that fun AMC. This won't help on that front.

But the truth is this is a vehicle for the young maid. She will be the new teen lead and Angie and Jesse will ham it up in the corners of episodes.