12 hours ago, DRW50 said:

Thanks for responding.

My pleasure. As you know, I can babble on ENDLESSLY about my beloved soaps of yore, LOL!☺️

11 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

Thanks for clearing that up. Do you recall any explanation or reference to Penny,Edith and John not being present?

Obviously Ruth Warrick was contracted to AMC but I wonder if Rosemary might have returned in respect of Santos and an age appropriate actor could play John.

I wonder if she was asked?

 

I don't think Edith or John were even referenced. Like when Papa Bauer passed away on TGL, no one mentioned Trudy. It would have made sense for the show to mention Penny, considering how hugely popular she had been, and how much the audience remembered her and wanted to see her again, but if Penny did get a mention, I did not hear it.

13 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

The endless mistakes on imdb, soapcentral, and many other places around the internet is frustrating. It's like fangurls and fanboyz just make stuff up in their heads and post it as "fact." 

Phoebe Dorin appeared to be a decent actress, and she did resemble Rosemary Prinz a lot, but as @Paul Raven remarked, she was not the REAL Penny. Personally, I rejected her instantly, and as I recall, the majority of the audience was said to have condemned the replacement.

 

Thanks for the info I guess that's why some referred to Rosemary Prinz as The Susan Lucci of her Fay she was pretty irreplaceable 

15 hours ago, DRW50 said:

I've read that but anything I've seen of temp Lisa in the early '90s was Maeve Maguire, not Jane. This episode has floated all over Youtube (I think I first saw it over a decade ago on a shut down account that put up a lot of rare GL and ATWT content) and was the main time I had seen Jane in the role. I'm glad it still exists.

Can you indicate me the ones with Maeve? If it's not much trouble 

Again, I decided to watch a classic B&B episode on their YouTube channel (which is kind of a mess, tbh, at least on mobile) to see whether there were any P&G ads streaming during the episode and counted no less than 1-2-3 ads during the approx. 21 minutes run time.  Pretty interesting. There was also a trailer for an Apple TV+ show. Do soaps on regular broadcast television even get these caliber of ads running during their shows? Seems more upscale, imo.

50 minutes ago, Joseph said:

Thanks for the info I guess that's why some referred to Rosemary Prinz as The Susan Lucci of her Fay she was pretty irreplaceable 

There are some performers who are so beloved, so iconic, and/or so deeply associated with their characters that the audience will never accept replacerments. TPTB may try, but it rarely if ever works.

Attempting to replace Mary Stuart as Jo on Search for Tomorrow, John Beradino as Steve on General Hospital, Charita Bauer as Bert on The Guiding Light, Susan Flannery as Syephanie on The Bold and the Beautiful, Ann Flood as Nancy on The Edge of Night, etc., would have been met with similar anger from viewers.

Honestly, although I rejected her as Penny Hughes, Phoebe Dorin seemed like a capable actress. She may have been embraced by the viewers in any other role, but she just was not "our" Penny.

GREAT interview with Alan Locher and 5 time Emmy winner Chris Goutman! The ones who complain the most could never, ever ever do the job that Chris did. Much less win 5 emmys. Alan Locher has done a great job with his interviews. Great insight. It's so easy to critique and not understand the financials behind it. Chris Goutman, 5 emmys. JFP, 11 emmys. Incredible talent. 

On 9/24/2021 at 3:43 PM, Craigger said:

GREAT interview with Alan Locher and 5 time Emmy winner Chris Goutman! The ones who complain the most could never, ever ever do the job that Chris did. Much less win 5 emmys. Alan Locher has done a great job with his interviews. Great insight. It's so easy to critique and not understand the financials behind it. Chris Goutman, 5 emmys. JFP, 11 emmys. Incredible talent. 

 

Edited September 25, 20214 yr by TVFAN1144

I disagree, but that's ok. Lisa was unimportant. 

23 minutes ago, Craigger said:

I disagree, but that's ok. Lisa was unimportant. 

I don't think so she was ATWT's first schemer she helped lots of Plots and storylines work she was very important for the show!

Today w/ Goutman was Locher as he should be for all interviews.  Smooth, professional and respectful.  

Lots of insights and questions into Goutman's acting, directing and producing career.  Edge of Night, Another World and All My Children were all discussed...before getting to ATWT.   

Locher even dared to ask Goutman about Martha Byrne !  I was shocked that a company man would go there...but of course thrilled.  Basically Goutman answered that he wished it had not gone down the way it did and he knew what a loss losing Martha was.  That if he had to do it over again he would have done it differently. He said if Mickey Dwyer Dobbin had still be there working with him, it would likely have ended differently. The interview is worth the watch just to hear him answer this question.  I so wonder if Martha was at home watching...

He also revealed a silver lining that resulted:  Noelle Beck was the one who got Julianne Moore to return at the end -- they were friends.  So if Noelle had not been playing Lily, we likely would not have had Julianne's lovely farewell return.

Edited September 25, 20214 yr by gimmetoo

Alan only asked him about Martha because I left that question on his Facebook page and others responded. I see nothing was asked about Scott Bryce. Goutman has no explanation for his actions. 

We are boycotting his interview!

Edited September 25, 20214 yr by Soapsuds

20 hours ago, Craigger said:

I disagree, but that's ok. Lisa was unimportant. 

Edited September 25, 20214 yr by TVFAN1144

Don't feed the troll. Block and ignore.

10 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

My pleasure. As you know, I can babble on ENDLESSLY about my beloved soaps of yore, LOL!☺️

I don't think Edith or John were even referenced. Like when Papa Bauer passed away on TGL, no one mentioned Trudy. It would have made sense for the show to mention Penny, considering how hugely popular she had been, and how much the audience remembered her and wanted to see her again, but if Penny did get a mention, I did not hear it.

I guess this proves that even in the golden age of soaps they still were guilty of not honoring history. 

I'm pretty  sure I once read Agnes Nixon saying it's best not to mention past characters as it only reminds viewers who may miss them or remember them fondly that they are not around.

Not sure I agree...