Not saying anybody here has said this but, when I have read some other threads, I often get the idea that people want older characters to be involved, yes meddle in their children's lives, rather than have active stories of their own. I have heard this of Victor and Nikki on Y&R as people think that they drain too much focus from younger characters. It's not my opinion, although giving them storylines more suitable for twenty year olds isn't the answer either.

6 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

 

On the one hand, I agree, but, even if it wasn't anything especially original for the character, it's still probably the most i enjoyed anything they did with Lucinda in ATWT's last 10-15 years. 

 

Having her closeted husband canoodling with Luke seemed very 1995 to me.

12 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Having her closeted husband canoodling with Luke seemed very 1995 to me.

 

To be honest a story where Lucinda got too attached to a barely closeted gay man (with the implication being that she knew, but she had come of age in an era where she was willing to play dumb as long as he was a handsome escort to parties or kept her company) and then he ended up betraying her with a family member is something which might have been interesting with better handling but it was so rushed and seemed to be something someone got cold feet about (I'm surprised it got through at all).

 

I was talking more about her storylines in 2010 as enjoyable to me, although I agree part is down to low expectations. It's the same reason I enjoyed Barbara's material in her last year more than anyone here, probably. 

 

Liz did offer ideas for stories that would have been about Lucinda, like Lucinda going back to school. I wish they'd been accepted, even if in Lucinda's case, her being a spoiler/meddler was ingrained in the character and seemingly difficult to shake.

Edited June 21, 20214 yr by DRW50

I gave up on the show in the final five/six months. The storytelling seemed very lazy to me.

1 hour ago, Mitch said:

This totally describes Marland's ATWT..not only do the couples lack those two attributes but the families do too. Everyone seems to be together because they have to be, not that they like each other or have any deep bonds.  That's why Longs and Curlee's GL was so much better then ATWT..despite it not being structured as tightly as Marland would do or use history as much...ATWT is the friend you invite to the party because you would feel guilty if you didn't while GL was the friend you wanted to be there as you don't know what might happen.

That pretty much sums up my attraction to GL compared to ATWT. 

2 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

I gave up on the show in the final five/six months. The storytelling seemed very lazy to me.

Five..six months? The show was just horrific the last 7 years. 

1 hour ago, DRW50 said:

 

Generally the show would focus on Lucinda reacting to another relative, usually one who was long-lost, if the story wasn't about Lily. Marland returned to the pattern previously established with Sierra by bringing in Neal and Royce. Then after Marland's death, Sam filled that void. Then as Lily moved into a more settled life, they brought in he's-her-son-oh-wait-he-isn't David, and granddaughter Georgia, along with the bizarre James romance. I don't think any of this ever would have lasted, to put it kindly, but Liz Hubbard's hostile relationship with Felicia Minei Behr ensured it wouldn't. Then, when Liz returned to the show, she was mostly kept in an even stricter supporting role, there to react to Lily or to Craig. 

 

I do think Lucinda's use in the last year, so heavily manipulating various story strands and finally leaving for a life of her own after Lily took Worldwide away from her, was satisfyingly done - more than I would have expected by that point, anyway. 

My only quibble here is that Lucinda gave Worldwide to Lily. Lucinda is like Miranda Priestly- she ain’t going anywhere!

Worldwide could have been a great source of stories that last decade like Succession and Billions. Walsh and any other companies fell so they could have established that company as a monolith like Amazon. Have all the grandkids vying for power with Lucinda as puppet master.

 

Edited June 21, 20214 yr by lilyredd

Lucinda/John

Barbara/Gunnar

Margo/Tom...HBS and GM version

Emily/Paul ..MS and AK version

 

These were end game pairings although Marland didn't create Gunnar.

Edited June 21, 20214 yr by Soapsuds

14 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

Lucinda/John

Barbara/Gunnar

Margo/Tom...HBS and GM version

Emily/Paul ..MS and AK version

 

These were end game pairings although Marland didn't create Gunnar.

 

Emily/Paul is an odd one for me, because I felt like it made sense mostly as an example of psychological hangups - Paul wanted to feel like he was a man, and protecting and loving Emily was part of that. Emily needed to be protected (as they mentioned in the recent interview, nearly all of MS Emily's love interests gave her a gun!), and she also bonded with Paul because they were both scarred by James. Yet I don't think they ever would have worked as a pairing once they both got older.  It's one of the reasons the later Emily/Paul relationships are white noise for me. 

 

20 minutes ago, lilyredd said:

My only quibble here is that Lucinda gave Worldwide to Lily. Lucinda is like Miranda Priestly- she ain’t going anywhere!

Worldwide could have been a great source of stories that last decade like Succession and Billions. Walsh and any other companies fell so they could have established that company as a monolith like Amazon. Have all the grandkids vying for power with Lucinda as puppet master.

 

 

Thanks - I forgot she gave it to Lily rather than battle.

 

ATWT got some flak in the early/mid-90s for having too many companies and too many rich characters. On paper I can see where cutting the material down made sense, but in the long run it left a void. The corporate battles in the '00s also did nothing for me because they felt hollow, and also because I was completely repulsed by Craig. We also got no hint of reality or work in the corporate dynamics compared to Marland or the first few teams post-Marland. Yes, I know that wasn't realistic either - gorgeous people in perfectly tailored suits and tight blouses and skirts - but at least it was an attempt, one which made the people involved seem close to human. 

On 6/21/2021 at 12:03 PM, Soapsuds said:

Five..six months? The show was just horrific the last 7 years. 

 

Indeed it was but I was watching on and off (sometimes more off than on, I admit) until I finally quit watching altogether.

I would also say it was horrific for more than seven years, it's just that there were one or two mildly interesting stories to paper over this fact.

Edited June 22, 20214 yr by DramatistDreamer

On 6/18/2021 at 9:48 PM, Soaplovers said:

I've watched GH..and his sets look like they're fall over if it's windy.  His sets look basic and cheap...devoid of personality.

 

It saddens me that the hideous Snyder kitchen remained till the end.  Ugliest set ever..and also a pointless family that was unneeded on the show.

 

I have to agree on the GH sets. But they at least offer some diversity and attempt 'outdoor' sets. I give them credit for that, but a lot of the sets feel generic and lack depth. But that's a sad sign of the times and a minimal budget.

1 hour ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

Indeed it was but I was watching on and off (sometimes more off than on, I admit) until I finally quit watching altogether.

I would also say it was horrific for more than seven years, it's just that there were one or two mildly interesting stories to paper over this fact.

 

Pretty much this.

 

The last decade of ATWT was a hot mess. It had some decent/good (1999-2001-ish weren't terrible or bad in retrospect) some over the top (2002-2005) and then .... Jean Passanante just isn't a headwriter who has a vision. And so many casting mistakes. 

 

I will always be annoyed we lost Holroyd for Howarth. I'm still bitter. LOL. (It's easy to blame Goutman for castings, but I know it was an attempt to ABC-ify the soaps for some bizarre reason)

 

I wonder what happened BTS around 2007/2008. Martha Byrne couldn't flee fast enough and Scott Bryce was treated like garbage. Not saying Goutman was great (he was also a douche) but I saw some decent potential in the beginning of his time (and even at AW) but then ... yikes. (I will also never forgive the sidelining of Lisa as a glorified dayplayer)

Edited June 22, 20214 yr by KMan101

The next Locher Room will feature 

 

The Snyder kids will join me live in The Locher Room on Wednesday, June 30th at 3 p.m. EST / 12 p.m. PST. Ellery Capshaw (Natalie), Allie Gorenc (Sage), Mick Hazen (Parker) and Christopher Tavani (Luke) will be here to share their memories of playing the kids of two of Oakdale's most popular couples (Lily & Holden and Carly and Jack) and tell us what they have been up since As the World Turns went off the air.

 

 

6 minutes ago, Forever8 said:

The next Locher Room will feature 

 

The Snyder kids will join me live in The Locher Room on Wednesday, June 30th at 3 p.m. EST / 12 p.m. PST. Ellery Capshaw (Natalie), Allie Gorenc (Sage), Mick Hazen (Parker) and Christopher Tavani (Luke) will be here to share their memories of playing the kids of two of Oakdale's most popular couples (Lily & Holden and Carly and Jack) and tell us what they have been up since As the World Turns went off the air.

 

 

It will be nice to hear from Christopher. Mick has really gotten hot!

25 minutes ago, Forever8 said:

The next Locher Room will feature 

 

The Snyder kids will join me live in The Locher Room on Wednesday, June 30th at 3 p.m. EST / 12 p.m. PST. Ellery Capshaw (Natalie), Allie Gorenc (Sage), Mick Hazen (Parker) and Christopher Tavani (Luke) will be here to share their memories of playing the kids of two of Oakdale's most popular couples (Lily & Holden and Carly and Jack) and tell us what they have been up since As the World Turns went off the air.

 

 

I'll pass on this one. This looks boring. Unless the kids spill some good tea. And schoolmarm Alan wouldn't allow any of that.

Edited June 22, 20214 yr by victoria foxton

6 minutes ago, victoria foxton said:

I'll pass on this one. This looks boring. Unless the kids spill some good tea. And schoolmarm Alan wouldn't allow any of that.

 

I'm gonna take a pass on this one as well.

Just now, DramatistDreamer said:

 

I'm gonna take a pass on this one as well.

Yep   same here/