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1 hour ago, Soaplovers said:

I was hoping it would be the Snyder kids..as in the performers that played Seth, Iva, Holden, Meg, Ellie..etc.  

I thought it was them too at first. They should gather them up and do one with Kathleen Widdoes.

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Does anyone remember the origins of Connor and Evan Walsh? I was reading an online synopsis and it's confusing. It said that Mr. Walsh, Lucinda's husband who killed himself, was Connor and Evan's grandfather. I thought he was their father. Does anyone know which it was? Unless Mr. Walsh was really old, I would think Connor and Evan would have been too old to be his grandkids. I know ages are all messed up on soaps but that seems weird. Then again, if he was their father, how could Lucinda not know who they were? I'm just confused. Anyone remember? 

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10 minutes ago, Bill Bauer said:

Does anyone remember the origins of Connor and Evan Walsh? I was reading an online synopsis and it's confusing. It said that Mr. Walsh, Lucinda's husband who killed himself, was Connor and Evan's grandfather. I thought he was their father. Does anyone know which it was? Unless Mr. Walsh was really old, I would think Connor and Evan would have been too old to be his grandkids. I know ages are all messed up on soaps but that seems weird. Then again, if he was their father, how could Lucinda not know who they were? I'm just confused. Anyone remember? 

James Walsh was a rich old man Lucinda married after Lily’s adoptive father and Lucinda’s husband Martin Guest killed himself. James Walsh had a son who was the father of Connor and Evan with Edwina the mother. Walsh enterprises was founded by James Walsh senior and Lucinda built the company to a power pushing the son out. Connor and Evan came to town to take Lucinda’s company. She never knew the grandkids because they probably were babies and she had no relationship with Connor and Evans father. Connor and Evan blamed Lucinda for their father’s suicide- a copy of why Lucinda came to town and hated Whit McCall.

 

 

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28 minutes ago, lilyredd said:

James Walsh was a rich old man Lucinda married after Lily’s adoptive father and Lucinda’s husband Martin Guest killed himself. James Walsh had a son who was the father of Connor and Evan with Edwina the mother. Walsh enterprises was founded by James Walsh senior and Lucinda built the company to a power pushing the son out. Connor and Evan came to town to take Lucinda’s company. She never knew the grandkids because they probably were babies and she had no relationship with Connor and Evans father. Connor and Evan blamed Lucinda for their father’s suicide- a copy of why Lucinda came to town and hated Whit McCall.

 

 

 

Thank you very much for that explanation, lilyredd. That makes sense the way you told it. I forgot about Martin Guest. I guess I was confused as well by the two suicides of two men connected to Lucinda who were never seen on the show. 

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20 minutes ago, Bill Bauer said:

 

Thank you very much for that explanation, lilyredd. That makes sense the way you told it. I forgot about Martin Guest. I guess I was confused as well by the two suicides of two men connected to Lucinda who were never seen on the show. 

You’re welcome. My mom used to watch The Doctors and raved about Nick and Althea and we thought it would have been cool for Gerald Gordon to play Martin Guest in flashbacks. 

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17 hours ago, Forever8 said:

The next Locher Room will feature 

 

The Snyder kids will join me live in The Locher Room on Wednesday, June 30th at 3 p.m. EST / 12 p.m. PST. Ellery Capshaw (Natalie), Allie Gorenc (Sage), Mick Hazen (Parker) and Christopher Tavani (Luke) will be here to share their memories of playing the kids of two of Oakdale's most popular couples (Lily & Holden and Carly and Jack) and tell us what they have been up since As the World Turns went off the air.

 

 

Christopher Tavani, for me, does not fit in this lineup.. but I am so happy he's going to be included. I know he's been in the Live Chat of several reunions, and always speaks highly of World Turns, and his current humour is excellent.

Plus, this description is wrong. Neither Gorenc or Hazen played Holden and Lily's children... they played Carly and Jack's. Damn.

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11 hours ago, Bill Bauer said:

 

Thank you very much for that explanation, lilyredd. That makes sense the way you told it. I forgot about Martin Guest. I guess I was confused as well by the two suicides of two men connected to Lucinda who were never seen on the show. 

I never understood why Lily's name was Walsh and not Guest. I wish Lisa would have gone back to her old ways and when she found out why Martin killed himself...she exposed the truth..not worrying about Princess Lily. Or at least blackmailed and taunted Lucinda. 

 

I do remember Lucinda getting calls asking for "the widow Guest" which was the intro to Iva..though why was she doing that?

 

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Mick Hazen was a talented kid; back in the days before Eddie Alderson learned to act seemingly overnight, I was desperate for him to replace him as Matthew Buchanan on OLTL.

 

I always forget Natalie and Sage existed. I'm still not sure exactly who Sage is.

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7 minutes ago, Vee said:

Mick Hazen was a talented kid; back in the days before Eddie Alderson learned to act seemingly overnight, I was desperate for him to replace him as Matthew Buchanan on OLTL.

 

I always forget Natalie and Sage existed. I'm still not sure exactly who Sage is.

Mick Hazen was one of my favorite young soap actors at the times too. I wanted him to play Jack on OLTL during the Andrew Trischitta years. 

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26 minutes ago, Vee said:

I'm still not sure exactly who Sage is.

 

Sage is Jack and Carly's daughter.

15 hours ago, Bill Bauer said:

 

Thank you very much for that explanation, lilyredd. That makes sense the way you told it. I forgot about Martin Guest. I guess I was confused as well by the two suicides of two men connected to Lucinda who were never seen on the show. 

 

Those online synopses can sometimes have errors, in addition to being confusing but, in their defense, it has to be somewhat fatiguing to have to write and condense these winding, circuitous narratives.

 

3 hours ago, Mitch said:

I never understood why Lily's name was Walsh and not Guest. 

 

Considering the fact that Guest killed someone, it could have been respectability politics on Lucinda's part to try to give Lily a more respected identity. It would have been interesting to explore that aspect later on.

Also, I remember Lily offhandedly saying that Lucinda had been married five times. Who were the other husbands? It could have been fun to have someone suspect Lucinda of being sort of a "Black Widow", especially in the show's last decade when the show was straining for something interesting for their senior veteran characters to do.

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1 hour ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

Considering the fact that Guest killed someone, it could have been respectability politics on Lucinda's part to try to give Lily a more respected identity. It would have been interesting to explore that aspect later on.

Also, I remember Lily offhandedly saying that Lucinda had been married five times. Who were the other husbands? It could have been fun to have someone suspect Lucinda of being sort of a "Black Widow", especially in the show's last decade when the show was straining for something interesting for their senior veteran characters to do.

Who did Guest kill, I cannot remember.
 

I remember her saying to Connor and Sam she was married to a famous Hollywood star- they should have cast him or explore some of these issues when they had her in therapy. There was so much to unpack with her character - marrying a man and living in a foreign country, forced to leave your child, and the man who was a big reason for her exile commits crimes and kills himself.. I would love to have seen more of the relationship between Lisa and Lucinda - it could have developed like Dorian and Vicki at OLTL.

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22 minutes ago, lilyredd said:

Who did Guest kill, I cannot remember.
 

I remember her saying to Connor and Sam she was married to a famous Hollywood star- they should have cast him or explore some of these issues when they had her in therapy. There was so much to unpack with her character - marrying a man and living in a foreign country, forced to leave your child, and the man who was a big reason for her exile commits crimes and kills himself.. I would love to have seen more of the relationship between Lisa and Lucinda - it could have developed like Dorian and Vicki at OLTL.

 

Martin Guest killed the broker of the illegal adoption that got Lily. Oh my goodness, Clifford Breyer was his name. I admit, I had to find the episode where his name is mentioned.

 

You know, after I posted up-thread, I thought about it, and came to the same conclusion that Lisa, no stranger to multiple marriages and having been widowed more than once, would, in irony of ironies, be the one to actually empathize with Lucinda and come to her defense about her marriage history! The truce, of course, could be temporary but a frenemy relationship should have lasted the life of the show. It would have provided both with something to do, outside of children and grandchildren.

 

Another note about Clifford Breyer- Tonio found out about his widow, who lived in a nursing home and went to visit her to dig up information that he could try to use against Lucinda, as Sierra was divorcing Tonio and he knew his days as Lucinda's right-hand man and successor at the company were, in all likelihood, numbered.

If Tonio lost his job, his Visa would be terminated and he'd likely be deported. I don't remember how much Tonio knew but I think he overheard an agitated Lucinda, talking to Ambrose on the phone, saying no one must find out why Martin killed himself.

I don't remember how much information Tonio actually sussed out from Breuer's widow as she looked to have either Alzheimer's or dementia.  Mrs. Breuer may have remembered some miniscule nugget of information that Tonio was able to piece together before the nurse made him leave. 

EDT: Breyer, not Breuer. Sorry. Auto-correct keeps "fixing" things.

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