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1 hour ago, Taoboi said:

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Well, I had to wait for my On Demand to kick in...but it did. And...

 

...WOW.

 

These hoes are pressed, aren't they? 

 

I haven't seen all of NY Season 4 or its reunion completely, but you all have told me that reunion is VERY toxic. From what little I've seen of it, I remember the women being quick witted with the back and forth, but perhaps it is because I still haven't watched the first few seasons to see the build up to Season 4, but that didn't come across toxic. This though?

 

TOXIC.

 

And I really have to see Part 2 to sure of how involved Andy Cohen is, but this just looks like another reunion that he is going to play favorites with and he is already on my bad side after this year's SHAH, BELOW DECK, and RHOD Reunion. If he can't be objective or ask the real questions, then 1) he needs to step aside and 2) take his lumps, too as Denise looks like she is going to get into him with next week.

 

I think if I had watched this last night, I would have been angry. Heck, this morning, I almost wish I was there, but I would have dragged a few people. lol. Part 1 was just setup. I think the meat will be Part 2. Since the editing is already slanted, I do like that we got some good moments with Sutton and Garcelle. 

 

So with that in mind...

 

KYLE. So anyone catch that subtle shade Garcelle threw about Asa from SHAHS OF SUNSET having the best kaftan. Ooooh, how Kyle's face looked pressed. Did she not learn anything from watching this season back? Not even 10 minutes in and she got checked by Garcelle AND Dorit for always interrupting. And the cherry on top was Denise getting that slight read on her being all about herself. A fact she proved by setting that trap for Garcelle about the charity. Sorry, not sorry it failed. You see, Garcelle is classy enough to settle it and woman enough to check you with a warning to don't do it, BooBoo the Fool. You waited almost a year to double check on that when most charities would have checked in a week's time says more about you Kyle than it does about Garcelle. 

 

DORIT. I liked she owned what she did. I loved the Princess Leia hair and silver. I even liked that Sutton had that heel on her neck. lol. What I really like is that it is clear she has Garcelle and Denise's back so far. 

 

ERIKA. My trigger for this episode. LOL!!! When she was going off on her rant, I checked every comment with the word 'bitca' every other sentence. I know she is not sitting here calling bs on someone. You know what the real bs was? That production showed the reciepts on you and showed you were not being general, but SPECIFIC on that threesome comment. How about you be a real gangsta and own it? I mean Mikey and the gays got your back, right? And then you tried to gaslight Denise like your friend Joan Crawford Clone over there and talk over Denise so Denise cannot even explain herself. Didn't you marry a lawyer? Don't you know what class is? But any friend of Kyle's, right? Trashbox.

 

GARCELLE. When if she comes back, she already has a storyline next season, feud with Kyle. The only way Kyle would be relevant and even then, Garcelle would eat her up. And if not that, yeah Twitter sure will. How dare she try to trap Garcelle. I loved that video I saw yesterday that she dropped before the episode aired. Get ahead of any potential backlash. And I loved she ain't scared of Andy due to not revealing who told her about Kyle. I loved the BLM segment and hearing her perspective. I saw some troll was coming for her next week. She ain't the one, BooBoo. And you already have enough trouble and lies going on in your life. Black Twitter is no joke.

 

SUTTON. Loved her segment. Love her humor. And I know a few people think she has mellowed, but I loved that she still as only a Southern girl can get people together. I could have sworn she did it with some Cabbage Patch Kid during the show over boredom or something, but I might have been reading online at the time.

 

DENISE. I definitely did not like how they are ganging up on her. What I found interesting was that like the finale last week, she appeared to get an idea of where things were going and adjusted accordingly. Not unlike Monique on RHOP. She is still playing her hand well so far. And setting up Joanie long before her last friendship test in the finale. Very interesting. In fact, she appeared to set up quite a few booby traps for the Coven throughout the season and was revealing them last night. They were so easily played while she was playing chess with them. I do hope the walkoff is a fakeout because it does look like she will coming for them next week like they are doing right now. And I say GET THEM TRICKS.

 

LIPSA. I will give her this much...at least she was not angry rabid dog until the end. But she sure looked bitter throughout. And it's funny THE HUSBAND wants to say something when he was the one who dropped that he did not live there anymore in a previous season. Too late to backpedal now, don't you think?

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  As for THE BEARD, I really want Denise to take off the gloves and wipe the floor with her. If this is how she is going to treat her friend, then she is no friend. She failed the test twice and it is time to take out the trash. She was vile. She was digusting. Even real Joan Crawford had some class. And rocked dark hair better to be honest. 

 

TUNICA MELLONTOP

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So...overall meh?

 

THIS. It was a thing of beauty watching her do it. And after last night, she is showing her hand, and I have no complaints. They got played #teamdenise

 

And unlike Dorit who learned from it, they have not.

 

And they can stay pressed.

 

ETA: Did we every get around to discussing the full scene between Denise and Camille?

 

 

Regarding the season 4 NY reunion...looking back it wasn't so much toxic..it was a lot of crosstalk and yelling...where Andy Cohen had to tell them all to be quiet.

 

In the season 4 lost scenes of episode of BH...kyle had an expert advise her on how to present her caftans (I think she was going on QVC or HSN)...and the coach told her to stop talking about herself because doing so wouldn't convince people to buy her product...and in the talking head..Kyle was rolling her eyes.  Kyle has always been overshadowed by her sisters, LVP, Denise and now Garcelle...it's why she's so pressed all the time 

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Denise is not the first person to use cease and desists which makes the outrage so ridiculous. Do they want us to forget Kyle sent Brandi cease and desists? Of course, they do as it would mean Kyle can't claim Brandi is always honest. It also means they can't use the cease and desists as an admission of guilt. 

 

Sutton and Garcelle owned part one of the reunion. The other women were pathetic. I think it's worse than season four of RHONY because these women have no legitimate gripes against Denise. IF she lied, so what? It's not hurting them. It has nothing to do with them. They just see blood and they are attacking. Andy is an embarrassment. The man needs replaced. He's useless as a host. 

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42 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

Regarding the season 4 NY reunion...looking back it wasn't so much toxic..it was a lot of crosstalk and yelling...where Andy Cohen had to tell them all to be quiet.

 

In the season 4 lost scenes of episode of BH...kyle had an expert advise her on how to present her caftans (I think she was going on QVC or HSN)...and the coach told her to stop talking about herself because doing so wouldn't convince people to buy her product...and in the talking head..Kyle was rolling her eyes.  Kyle has always been overshadowed by her sisters, LVP, Denise and now Garcelle...it's why she's so pressed all the time 

Ha! That is funny. re: Kyle. So she already knows this. This makes her look so much worse.

 

8 minutes ago, chrisml said:

Denise is not the first person to use cease and desists which makes the outrage so ridiculous. Do they want us to forget Kyle sent Brandi cease and desists? Of course, they do as it would mean Kyle can't claim Brandi is always honest. It also means they can't use the cease and desists as an admission of guilt. 

 

Sutton and Garcelle owned part one of the reunion. The other women were pathetic. I think it's worse than season four of RHONY because these women have no legitimate gripes against Denise. IF she lied, so what? It's not hurting them. It has nothing to do with them. They just see blood and they are attacking. Andy is an embarrassment. The man needs replaced. He's useless as a host. 

 

THIS. He really has turned my stomach this year.

 

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19 minutes ago, chrisml said:

Andy is an embarrassment. The man needs replaced. He's useless as a host. 

 

10 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

THIS. He really has turned my stomach this year.

Who would be a good replacement? I typically haven’t enjoyed moderators at reality-TV reunions. Gotta be gossipy and funny but fair, objective, and clear-eyed.

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The threshold of toxicity has lowered considerably in recent years when it comes to reunions. RHONY Season 4 Reunion is a breath of fresh air compared to last night. 

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1 hour ago, Soaplovers said:

In the season 4 lost scenes of episode of BH...kyle had an expert advise her on how to present her caftans (I think she was going on QVC or HSN)...and the coach told her to stop talking about herself because doing so wouldn't convince people to buy her product...and in the talking head..Kyle was rolling her eyes.  Kyle has always been overshadowed by her sisters, LVP, Denise and now Garcelle...it's why she's so pressed all the time 

 

Kyle cannot grasp that 1) she isn't special and 2) she's not nearly as likeable or relatable as she thinks she is. One of the most transparent and oblivious housewives ever.

 

30 minutes ago, chrisml said:

Sutton and Garcelle owned part one of the reunion. The other women were pathetic. I think it's worse than season four of RHONY because these women have no legitimate gripes against Denise. IF she lied, so what? It's not hurting them. It has nothing to do with them. They just see blood and they are attacking. Andy is an embarrassment. The man needs replaced. He's useless as a host. 

 

THIS. Andy needs to go as host of these shows. His bias is incredible.

 

21 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

THIS. He really has turned my stomach this year.

 

Andy has been a problem for a long, long time on these shows.

 

8 minutes ago, Faulkner said:

 

Who would be a good replacement? I typically haven’t enjoyed moderators at reality-TV reunions. Gotta be gossipy and funny but fair, objective, and clear-eyed.

 

Someone much smarter and sharper than Andy. His nemesis, Kathy Griffin, would do a good job at it. Wendy Williams would do well too because she likes the shows, but she doesn't really care about them and isn't personally invested. That is Andy's downfall - he gets personal with the housewives and who he likes (and hates) gets obvious.

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1 hour ago, DaytimeFan said:

 

Kyle cannot grasp that 1) she isn't special and 2) she's not nearly as likeable or relatable as she thinks she is. One of the most transparent and oblivious housewives ever.

 

 

THIS. Andy needs to go as host of these shows. His bias is incredible.

 

 

Andy has been a problem for a long, long time on these shows.

 

 

Someone much smarter and sharper than Andy. His nemesis, Kathy Griffin, would do a good job at it. Wendy Williams would do well too because she likes the shows, but she doesn't really care about them and isn't personally invested. That is Andy's downfall - he gets personal with the housewives and who he likes (and hates) gets obvious.

Andy is far too engrossed in Housewives world to be unbiased. He needs to just host WWHL and be done with it.

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I feel that Andy checked out a long time ago even on WWHL.

 

I'm curious why there has been no press about Bravo forcing Denise Richards to take down her like of the tweet accusing Rinna of racism. That says everything about the culture at Bravo.

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2 hours ago, Antoyne said:

Well Dorinda just went out like the biggest unhinged a.sshole.

 

She sure did. Those last 45 seconds were brutal. And completely her fault. 

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3 hours ago, Antoyne said:

Well Dorinda just went out like the biggest unhinged a.sshole.

I had to watch this after your comment. I'm actually stunned. The RHOBH coven have nothing on her. That was so despicable. I still find it hilarious that it was Tinsley that sent Dorinda over the edge. 

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When Vicki imploded at the reunion, I was so happy she finally got everything that was coming to her and humiliated herself in the befittingly ugly way that IS Vicki.  But I am pretty heartbroken for Dorinda.  I'm one of the few that always saw her rage and cruelty and was shocked she got away with it unscathed . . . but there was always SO much to LOVE about her.  This is a sad, sad way for such a great 'wife to go out.  And she evidently sealed her fate at the reunion.  What a shame.  For Dorinda's sake, I hope there's more to the Tinsley story we're not privy to . . . because it makes zero sense that she lost her mind (job, and good name) over that silly socialite.  There has to be more to the story; I heard D, T, and Carole (and John, Scott, and Adam) had a terrible trip to Dubai . . . maybe it all started then???  Who knows, lol.

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Watching some of the other RH shows (NY, Potomac), you realise that the problem with RHOBH is that none of these women are friends and therefore no authentic bonds are formed. Consequently, BH devolves into an episode of Survivor, where strategic alliances form to bring down a target. Popularity is king and measured by social media clicks. This works when the show actually IS called Survivor and the rules of the game are clear. However, BH is still fronting like this is an actual friendship group and blah blah friends tell each other da troof. The fact is, even a 20-year so-called friendship (probably more an acquaintanceship) between Rinna and Denise is merely fuel for these popularity games where Rinna wants to dent Denise's popularity with the audience. None of these women like or trust each other and I doubt they are in contact during the off-season (except for Kyle and BAT bc Kyle needs a sycophant).

 

 

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13 hours ago, DaytimeFan said:

 

Someone much smarter and sharper than Andy. His nemesis, Kathy Griffin, would do a good job at it. Wendy Williams would do well too because she likes the shows, but she doesn't really care about them and isn't personally invested. That is Andy's downfall - he gets personal with the housewives and who he likes (and hates) gets obvious.

 

I enjoy Wendy Williams' show but she is a bad interviewer. And that's with the guests she actually knows. Even with Hot Topics, Wendy needs her producer Norm to fill her in on what's going on. Wendy is self-absorbed and messy and has had a lot of drama in her life. As a result, she would be better suited to being an actual HW herself (she would never, though. She doesn't want to reveal her private life).

 

Kathy Griffin is a good suggestion as I imagine she watches these shows. She would have to be in Interviewer Mode, though, and not in Let's Talk About Me Mode. The one good thing about Andy at these Reunions is that he doesn't make it about him all that often and basically leaves the women to talk. I do agree his bias is so problematic, though -- he gave Kyle total control of the narrative in the Kyle-Garcelle discussion so that she could sing her fave song "You're So F*cking Mean."

 

9 hours ago, Antoyne said:

Well Dorinda just went out like the biggest unhinged a.sshole.

 

6 hours ago, DaytimeFan said:

 

She sure did. Those last 45 seconds were brutal. And completely her fault. 

 

5 hours ago, chrisml said:

I had to watch this after your comment. I'm actually stunned. The RHOBH coven have nothing on her. That was so despicable. I still find it hilarious that it was Tinsley that sent Dorinda over the edge. 

 

 I didn't feel it was as terrible as Dorinda has been in the past...? I mean, yes, Dorinda looked awful ranting and raving about somebody who has already left the show. Literally, I thought they were going to walk Tinsley out as a surprise cameo. 

 

However, I understand where Dorinda is coming from. Tinsley chose to break her contract and leave. The other RHONY women are there. Dorinda feels she is under threat because of her age, and Tinsley is the demo that Bravo prefers and wishes was back on the show. IMO, Leah more than makes up for Tinsley not being there. She is far more interesting and pro-active, for a start. I know people on this thread love The Tinsler, but for me, it was four seasons of nothingburger SLs (SCOTT). Tinsley does not have enough of a personality to make a truly interesting HW -- that's why they had to bring Dale out. And yet Bravo really want somebody like her to anchor RHONY. Of course Dorinda is jealous. Of course Dorinda is worried about her own job security. She feels resentful that Tinsley (in her eyes) is being rewarded for not showing up and breaching her contract, and all because Tinsley is young and pretty and pliable.

 

It was a sweet finale to RHONY, despite the final 2 mins. I love the friendships between all the women. Sonja asking Leah to be her workout mate was touching, even though it was about promoting this fitness app (!!).

 

Viva La Diva is now locked into my brain. The best disco songs are the ones sung non-ironically, and Luann basically thinks she is Donna Summer/Barbra Streisand about launch into Enough Is Enough. I'm relieved (as I'm sure the rest of the cast was) that the cabaret show was NOT the finale. We've seen it enough.

 

Ramona is such a Trumper. I don't want to give any RH attention to 'the administration' (as DT's gaggle of dangerous and incompetent sycophants are now called). But I sort of wish the Bravo cameras had been there when Ramona and Kimberly Guilfoyle partied in the Hamptons and KG caught the coronavirus.

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16 hours ago, Faulkner said:

 

Who would be a good replacement? I typically haven’t enjoyed moderators at reality-TV reunions. Gotta be gossipy and funny but fair, objective, and clear-eyed.

Before Nene irked her, I would have said Wendy Williams. She used to be a good reunion host for THE A LIST if I recall correctly.

 

I could see Kathy Griffin as a good host as others have mentioned. That host who does the MELBORNE reunion would be prefect cuz he seem to be objective and ask the right questions.  

15 hours ago, DaytimeFan said:

 

Kyle cannot grasp that 1) she isn't special and 2) she's not nearly as likeable or relatable as she thinks she is. One of the most transparent and oblivious housewives ever.

 

 

THIS. Andy needs to go as host of these shows. His bias is incredible.

 

 

Andy has been a problem for a long, long time on these shows.

 

 

Someone much smarter and sharper than Andy. His nemesis, Kathy Griffin, would do a good job at it. Wendy Williams would do well too because she likes the shows, but she doesn't really care about them and isn't personally invested. That is Andy's downfall - he gets personal with the housewives and who he likes (and hates) gets obvious.

I guess I was just blinded by his...charm, chest hair (?), scruff when he had it...but I didn't used to dislike Andy or I was just blind. But I've been coming around slowly, but the BELOW DECK reunion sealed it for me. You would have to be a special kind of tone deaf, not to mention extremely self absorbed to not 1)let someone else host when you just had surgery and was doped up 2) not watch the season in question to know why the audience wanted those Bru lynched and 3)attacking the victims which was most of the women crew members. Attacking the OG cast member for something LAST SEASON that was already discussed at last year's reunion to deflect off the fact that she was almost assaulted by the main villain of the season who happened to be a hottie was gaslighting (there's that word again) and so vile. They even brought in a girl member who left the season early for love to verify that the male villain isn't all bad. The audience saw right through that. So clearly Andy knew that men...that whole posse...was in the wrong. Nasty.

 

And I am not even going to go into the RHOD reunion. Too many glass houses and we know how triggered I get over the whole of Season 4.

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