I see what you're saying, but I think it just shows how idiotic their decisions are. Someone like Kevin should not take precedence over characters like Chance. Just as Adam never should have been made into some sort of a monster. I think they believe legacy is whatever makes them feel good at the moment.

They can swap places with Jack and Danielle on OLTL...

+1.

Y&R is heading into B&B territory when it comes to fertility issues.

Amen.

When Katherine wasn't so saintly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_l6Mb3ElWI

The thing about the Jill/Katherine rivalry is that I could never side with either Jill nor Kay, both were equally nasty but both had a point because they had wronged each other. With LML and MAB Jill has become more of the bitter old shrew while Katherine has indeed become a saint. She was already regal enough, but everyone seems to go to her defense leaving Jill in the cold.

Yes, that also bothers me about the Katherine/Jill relationship in recent years. Katherine put Jill through a great deal of pain. The new history, which says that Jill was this maneater who ruined poor Katherine's life and has been a burden to her ever since, it is a cheapening of what actually happened. This Saint Katherine stuff does her no favors. The worst was during those weddings earlier this year when that annoying and rude woman, Pearl, trashed Jill, and we were supposed to be appalled when Jill gave it back. This was also around the time we got the lovely scenes of everyone standing around laughing at Jill.

With LML and MAB Jill has become more of the bitter old shrew while Katherine has indeed become a saint.

That was Jack Smith.

Latham & Maria have made it worse.

I've seen this speculated on at a few boards, but is Lauren's headache problem going to be traced to something in her office, like the stories on DAYS and Dynasty where toxic paint made people go nuts?

Yes, that also bothers me about the Katherine/Jill relationship in recent years. Katherine put Jill through a great deal of pain. The new history, which says that Jill was this maneater who ruined poor Katherine's life and has been a burden to her ever since, it is a cheapening of what actually happened. This Saint Katherine stuff does her no favors.

And it ruins an extremely complex relationship like Aunt Jack always losing to prop Grambo.

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Melody dyed and cut her hair for a web soap she had to pull out of at the last minute.

Her hair was longer and styled much differently for The Republic. I fear this is her new Y&R style.

I've seen this speculated on at a few boards, but is Lauren's headache problem going to be traced to something in her office, like the stories on DAYS and Dynasty where toxic paint made people go nuts?

I tuned in and seen one scene with Lauren where she said something about her office being painted or redone or simething and Daisy was creeping around and i thought of that same days story. im sure thats whats going to happen. or like when shiela poisened her necklace>

lame.

Her hair was longer and styled much differently for The Republic. I fear this is her new Y&R style.

This isn't a hairdo but more like a hair don't. The color is off and the cut ages Nikki into her 60's. MTS can't be more than 50, I'm guessing she is about the same age as Ashley. Also, Nikki just isn't Nikki without blond hair. I feel like it takes something away from a character when an actor radically changes look. If Victor were to stop using his Just For Men and get a shave, he wouldn't be the same Victor.

I don't tune in everyday, watch maybe once a week, but where has Gloria been? She was front and center for a while but seems MIA. I adore the character, know everyone else hates her, and feel like she should be mixing something up. Between St. Kay and Tucker the !@#$%^&*], Y&R is boring. Also, I'm over then manner in which they keep bringing up Adam's walk on the wild side. It is like they are trying to redeem his sexuality. Such an effort is being made to say "Adam isn't bi, he just uses people". If you prefer women but do the back side glide with a man, then you are BISEXUAL and this is regardless of motive. Even when a man has sex with another man for money, he is deemed as bisexual within the medical community. I'm not into labels; however, I feel like TPTB are trying to somehow fix the situation with Adam's sexuality. I hate to call it homophobic but all of these efforts to justify Adam and Rafe are a bit much. A straight guy wouldn't get hard in a homo situation and would probably feel ill: sort of the way Y&R is making me feel.

It seems pretty clear Daisy is poisoning Lauren. I bet the next move will be a sob story about her not being able to stay in the dorms and offerring to be an au pair so that she can move in with Lauren and Michael and stay in Eden's room. They still will be dragging this story out though for quite awhile. Sheila just seems too obvious.

Someone on another site suggested a good story might be River being the one to send Eden the letter from her mother's aunt so that he can contact and manipulate Eden as she will be coming into alot of money soon. How else would this stranger know where to find Eden? Unless it is this mysterious mother who is pulling the strings.

I enjoy Katherine, but it is just getting to be like she is this perfect person and MAB has literally made her the Queen of Genoa City. I agree that family is who you choose to be close to, not always biology, but Kay was never perfect. Tucker is a jerk for stealing her company, but Katherine was a piece of work when she gave up her child for adoption. She was apparently drunk and cheated on her husband and then had to get rid of the evidence by putting the baby up for adoption and didn't even care enough to know if it was a boy or girl.

I loved a scene she did years ago with Tracey Bregman when she was picking up on Lauren's frustration when Fen was a newborn. She was honest when she said she was a bad mother and resented Brock because she really did not want to be a mother and explained that was one of the reasons she gave up her child. I liked that Kay was not perfect and could be vindictive and stubborn much better than this sainted person. JMO though.

Didn't you know that once you turn 75 in soapland, you suddenly transform into a perfect example of humanity. Check out World Turns and you'll get what I mean. Every geriatric is a saint, fully declawed, and filled with wisdom. I miss the real Kay and, for that matter, the real Jill. Both women have lost all their spunk. Now Gloria is our only guilty pleasure.

This isn't a hairdo but more like a hair don't. The color is off and the cut ages Nikki into her 60's. MTS can't be more than 50, I'm guessing she is about the same age as Ashley. Also, Nikki just isn't Nikki without blond hair. I feel like it takes something away from a character when an actor radically changes look. If Victor were to stop using his Just For Men and get a shave, he wouldn't be the same Victor.

I don't tune in everyday, watch maybe once a week, but where has Gloria been? She was front and center for a while but seems MIA. I adore the character, know everyone else hates her, and feel like she should be mixing something up. Between St. Kay and Tucker the !@#$%^&*], Y&R is boring. Also, I'm over then manner in which they keep bringing up Adam's walk on the wild side. It is like they are trying to redeem his sexuality. Such an effort is being made to say "Adam isn't bi, he just uses people". If you prefer women but do the back side glide with a man, then you are BISEXUAL and this is regardless of motive. Even when a man has sex with another man for money, he is deemed as bisexual within the medical community. I'm not into labels; however, I feel like TPTB are trying to somehow fix the situation with Adam's sexuality. I hate to call it homophobic but all of these efforts to justify Adam and Rafe are a bit much. A straight guy wouldn't get hard in a homo situation and would probably feel ill: sort of the way Y&R is making me feel.

They have ruined Lauren. One good thing about LML was her use of Lauren and I even enjoyed the Fisher/Baldwin clan. They made for a dynamic, fun, sexy family. Speaking of sexy: Ryder!! That boy is trailer park cute!

I loved a scene she did years ago with Tracey Bregman when she was picking up on Lauren's frustration when Fen was a newborn. She was honest when she said she was a bad mother and resented Brock because she really did not want to be a mother and explained that was one of the reasons she gave up her child. I liked that Kay was not perfect and could be vindictive and stubborn much better than this sainted person. JMO though.

do you happen to know if i can locate this clip online?

Didn't you know that once you turn 75 in soapland, you suddenly transform into a perfect example of humanity. Check out World Turns and you'll get what I mean. Every geriatric is a saint, fully declawed, and filled with wisdom. I miss the real Kay and, for that matter, the real Jill. Both women have lost all their spunk. Now Gloria is our only guilty pleasure.

I hate what Ma Bell from Beverly Hills has done to Katherine, she's literally defanged her and made her Mother Teresa which Kay Chancellor never was. Kay was always a bitch, always a diva and always tough. The Kay we have now is sweet and gentle and defenseless. I call bullsh*t!

Jill is only supposed to be in her 50s, so what they've done to her is even worse. At least you could argue that people in their 80s mellow with age...but Jill should still be badass and whip smart like she used to be.

This regime HATES women. Ma Bell from Beverly Hills should be ashamed of herself.

Gloria's wings have been clipped, contract wise. She'll still be kicking around, but the backlash against her was very clear and she won't be getting much front burner airtime ever again. And that's a good thing.

Oh, thank goodness. I thought it was just me whose eyes rolled to the back of her head everytime Y&R start singing "Good Queen Katherine" from the Prop 'Em Up hymnbook. I especially dislike her good samaritan work with Amber and Kevin, two cons who have NEVER deserved the good fortune, riches and opportunities Kay routinely throws their way. Kay is SO much more interesting than that. SO much more! And imagine how much more compelling she and Murphy would be if they let Calculating Kay come out to play? I consider Murphy a worthy successor to the fabulous Rex, and Kay certainly wasn't Saint Katherine back when Sterling showed up, was she? Murphy's a tough bird who has been through poverty and war, so he could handle it. He could handle her!