Members JimTolkien Posted January 9, 2010 Members Share Posted January 9, 2010 YEP!!! It is sad to say but I don't blame them for it. I hope when they said tone it down that means stop trying to act like you are blind because you suck at it LOL and it is very distracting!!!!!! I have to already try to ignore all his other fidgeting!! Y&R should be treated like it's an actual company with some form of long term strategy, goal and vision and sadly to say I have no clue as to what it is. It is as if they are just trying to write to make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted January 9, 2010 Members Share Posted January 9, 2010 I think it explains just how little input is being made by those who should be in charge of the show. This is something which SHOULD have been noticed long ago. I thought Muhney's first months on the show were unbearable for many reasons, but one of the biggest was the endless squinting and bizarre facial expressions Muhney passed off as vision problems. He struggled to connect with co-stars and many of his scenes had an odd undercurrent, like Mr. Magoo was tormenting Ashley and seducing twinky lawyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bellcurve Posted January 9, 2010 Members Share Posted January 9, 2010 I wouldn't say "writing to make it." That implies effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alphanguy74 Posted January 9, 2010 Members Share Posted January 9, 2010 I hate you, CARL!! Now, every time Muhney's onscreen, i'm going to have the voice of Jim Backus ringing in my head! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted January 9, 2010 Members Share Posted January 9, 2010 +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted January 9, 2010 Members Share Posted January 9, 2010 I would think this might improve Adam's scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted January 9, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 9, 2010 LOL, that's pathetic. No one believes in corporate micromanagement. People do, however, believe that Maria paid him to write that. As if a network honcho watches this sh!t and had something to say about blindness... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alphanguy74 Posted January 9, 2010 Members Share Posted January 9, 2010 You might be surprised, Sylph. word on the street is that the network is glutted with alot of middle managment turds who are DESPERATELY trying to think up things to justify their paychecks in this bad economic climate. Yes, and every time he does something stupid... it'll be, "Oh, Magoo.... you've done it again!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted January 9, 2010 Members Share Posted January 9, 2010 I'm not sure if there's a lot of interference here or not. Y&R is full of stories which are exactly what Rauch and Sheffer and Hamner have foisted on audiences for decades. I would actually say compared to other soaps, I see the least corporate interference at Y&R. The only interference is in salary disputes, which meant they had to briefly sorta kinda tarnish their big hero Victor, for about five minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted January 9, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 9, 2010 Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted January 9, 2010 Members Share Posted January 9, 2010 Muhney said the note was from "the network". Not the producers. Not Sony. "The network". They're giving notes on performance issues. That is just so different from the "my show" rhetoric MAB handed out. If the network is now empowered to make performance notes that the actors are compelled to respond to, it's fair to say that Bell/Sony are not quite as in control as they're claiming. Tom Casiello also posted something about "notes"--oh yeah, he was citing a writer who was complaining about "know-nothings" giving notes-- and expressing a similar frustration. Casiello specifically highlights this quote in his twitter: Now, I know you'll all claim this is self-serving...and maybe it is. But the fact of the matter is that I think this kind of micromanagement makes it impossible for anyone to implement "my show, my vision"...whether they are an "auteur" or whether they are Maria Arena Bell. We're in an era now, I sincerely believe this, where were cannot attribute these massive failures to the Guzas or the Arena Bells or whatever. They're (of course) a huge part of the story...but this micromanagement is killing everything DOWN TO performances and the nuances of how someone chooses to play blind. You can't have an artistic vision (even in a commercial product like a soap, which isn't really meant to be artistic) if you're constantly meddled with, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bellcurve Posted January 9, 2010 Members Share Posted January 9, 2010 Maybe Barbara Bloom and Margot Wain are giving him notes. So what?! It was ridiculous of them to want to have this "blindness" story both ways to begin with. Writers can do amazing things with corporate interference. Several can be cited. It still doesn't change that fact that Maria/Hogan/Scott, at the end of the day, set the tone and pace for this show. You mean to tell me that if (assuming there was as much corporate interference as you specuate)Bloom/Wain/Kent backed off and let them write the show that the show would be in any better shape than what it is now? As CarlD2 pointed out, we are seeing many of Sheffer/Rauch/Hamner's same tired patterns on Y&R as they have exhibited in years past. And together(along with Maria) they are all killing this show. And Hackiello is not relevant, he proves that everytime he opens his mouth. He should change that "former blog" to "Damn the Empire! Save the Man!" I wish people would stop bringing up this tired "Tom." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted January 9, 2010 Members Share Posted January 9, 2010 I don't believe that micromanagement is anywhere near as much of a problem with some soaps as it is for others. GH has been repeating variations of the same stories for Guza's entire time as headwriter, starting back in 1996. Jason worship. Violence against women. A hostility towards the Quartermaines, and towards anything Luke and Laura had together. This has been with two different EPs and three different ABC Daytime Presidents. Sheffer has written the exact same sicko stories at NBC and at CBS, on three different soaps. Hamner has written variations of the same poorly constructed, endless "mysteries" on PC and on Y&R. Rauch has had longstanding issues regarding minorities and women on his soaps. Am I supposed to believe that a wide variety of networks and executives have somehow managed to make them produce the same stories? That everywhere Sheffer goes, he hears people tell him that there needs to be more animal killing, more smarmy assholes passed off as leading men, men being raped for a laugh, more "if she says no she means yes, especially if you threaten her boyfriend" storylines? That Y&R, which had a long history of frontburner stories for black characters, suddenly decided to completely downplay them and give them offensive stories as soon as Rauch showed up? If anything I think Y&R needs MORE interference. The show seems aimless and I can't put that on Sony or CBS. It's a basic failure of writing and producing which someone with a modicum of talent would know how to overcome. And if the network "killed" Michael Muhney's embarrassing attempts to play blind, which reinforced all of his acting flaws and disconnected him from co-stars, is that a bad thing? I notice that he says they "make these shows for a living." That's true, but it also reinforces that they see this as a job, not as something which inspires them. That's another reason the show is so flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bellcurve Posted January 9, 2010 Members Share Posted January 9, 2010 /\ +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted January 9, 2010 Members Share Posted January 9, 2010 Exactly. Mark loves to pass the blame of this regime onto third parties, when many of the big problems with this writing regime have been unique to this writing regime. The same power structure has existed at CBS for years, and prior regimes were able to put on a much better and yes written show. No offense to Mark, but it seems he always looks for any excuse to excuse this regime and their faults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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