As I recall though, there were a lot of folks that thought the same thing before LML was ousted.

LML was supported by the Bell's, though, no one around here or on the corporate side wants to admit that.

We have nothing to lose at this point by getting a new writing and producing regime, the show will likely be canceled in a few years anyway, and it would be a shame if someone didn't at least try to bring better behind the scenes talent to this show in an attempt to fix its problems and give it a decent sendoff.

LML was supported by the Bell's, though, no one around here or on the corporate side wants to admit that.

We have nothing to lose at this point by getting a new writing and producing regime, the show will likely be canceled in a few years anyway, and it would be a shame if someone didn't at least try to bring better behind the scenes talent to this show in an attempt to fix its problems and give it a decent sendoff.

I think they have 10 years left at least. Even as bad as the show is now they are getting 3.5's regularly. Most of the other soaps would kill for that.

Y&R is the flagship of soaps and with it being this bad I give all soaps 2 years. Maybe B&B 3 because I now believe it will be the last soap standing.

I'm not suggesting they should imitate Days, I'm suggesting they are imitating Days.

My mistake! I read it wrong.

I'm so depressed. And today's episode was so GOOD. I loved Victor being kicked in the teeth, I got so much satisfaction from that. I even had a pity party for Patty. I was even hopeful because I read that Thom has been shooting for 5 days in a row now, and is going bakc on front burner for November sweeps. But now I'm SCARED hearing about this PAtty garbage. All we know is that he's been shooting alot, and shooting alot with Hendrickson. If any of their scenes together involve Thom's penis... I Think my head will explode. I'm in a state of panic right now with all this doppleganger crap. I almost expect them to bring back Lilibet Stern to play Nina's stolen son... only he's had a sex change and plastic surgery to look 20 years older.

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This is the stupidest goddamn thing...I like Stacy Haiduk too, she played this role for all it's worth. Sometimes actors come on, do a good job, and LEAVE. It's not always necessary to jump through hoops to keep them.

And Y&R's had enough look-a-likes to last 20 years.

God, this show has gone full retard.

I am in total agreement here. Haiduk should probably have left. But if they needed to keep her, there is a much more interesting way to have done this -- to explore her missing years in Eau Claire that drove her crazier--and led her to have a destroyed face (needing reconstruction). It really did not need to go this direction...

I have one thing to say:

LOL and LOL

Now all we need is Cashton to weigh in with something similar, and we'll know the tide has fully turned.

I wonder if Y&R has noticed that Days is relatively successful and so they are trying to imitate that show? I'm being serious here.

Okay, but here's the thing...old Days was like this: throw in a back-from-the-dead or lookalike or whatever was needed.

But the Days miracle of the last year (ratings stability) has owed itself more to paring down to an essential mini-cast, and leavening the newbies with HEAVY supporting play from some loved (and until recently, criminally underused) veterans. JackPeyton has done a wonderful analysis of this, and why it is working.

For the most part (even though a baby switch is front burner right now--it is more realistically done than Y&R's), Days is again based on planet earth. There is less eyerolling. And that one fact, alone, seems to have bought them a stable audience. Y&R would do well to emulate that aspect.

The ratings has to go down in order for things to change. Just stop watching

Why do people always say this? It is NEVER correct! When people leave, THEY LEAVE. They don't come back. (Jack Peyton Axiom). If you wait for the ratings to go down, you've waiting too long.

Right now, with this kind of a massive disappointment, that's your "early warning indicator". The ratings will soon start their slide, just as they did in the late-LML era.

This is just lazing ass writing. The look like Patty will actually be the real Patty.....watch and see...its going to happen!

Yes, I thought this too...

Do you really think so? I actually am going to give the writer's more credit than that. It might make a tiny bit of sense if crazy Patty wanted to look like her shrink, but why would a sane Patty have changed her face? Gah! I feel a migraine coming on...

If we can be convinced that this nutcase imitated Patty (who, herself, previously had surgery), then we can put this psycho away forever...and have the "new, improved, sane Patty with no heinous crimes on her record").

And we (this show and its viewers) can crawl one step closer to the crypt.

As I recall though, there were a lot of folks that thought the same thing before LML was ousted.

Bingo. Ironically, there was improvement in the post-LML era. But it seems like every lesson learned has been unlearned...in spades.

I think they have 10 years left at least. Even as bad as the show is now they are getting 3.5's regularly. Most of the other soaps would kill for that.

But 3.5s are sh!tty, sh!tty ratings! And the TREND, the TREND is still downward. Yes, we seem to be in a relatively stable window this last year, but we're starting to hit those 3.2s and 3.3s on some days. THAT is the sign of the trend.

I'm so depressed. And today's episode was so GOOD. I loved Victor being kicked in the teeth, I got so much satisfaction from that. I even had a pity party for Patty. I was even hopeful because I read that Thom has been shooting for 5 days in a row now, and is going bakc on front burner for November sweeps. But now I'm SCARED hearing about this PAtty garbage. All we know is that he's been shooting alot, and shooting alot with Hendrickson. If any of their scenes together involve Thom's penis... I Think my head will explode. I'm in a state of panic right now with all this doppleganger crap. I almost expect them to bring back Lilibet Stern to play Nina's stolen son... only he's had a sex change and plastic surgery to look 20 years older.

Even for Victor, I take no pleasure in seeing--while the man is still DEATHLY ILL--these people being angry.

Why the f*ck couldn't the show have let him return to some semblance of his "strong man" persona and THEN had all these people say their piece? Watching Victor browbeaten when he is weak is...not satsifying.

Nah, I've given up on that dream. I had forgotten that brad delivered Coleen, until Traci mentioned it the other day. And now that we have found out about this new look alike, even I have to admit that the madness must stop. I'm all for Traci adopting, but we know these writers won't do it. That would be too much like a happy inspirational story. Plus I doubt they have the sense to get Beth Maitland back despite the fact that she is well loved even in the current superficial state of our culture.

What the fans like they will kill off or write her out of character. The best place for Tracey is out of GC.

Even for Victor, I take no pleasure in seeing--while the man is still DEATHLY ILL--these people being angry.

Why the f*ck couldn't the show have let him return to some semblance of his "strong man" persona and THEN had all these people say their piece? Watching Victor browbeaten when he is weak is...not satisfying.

I agree, but I think they had to have Ashley divorce Victor quickly so that Victor could leave town with Nikki. I just wonder how Nikki will return if EB doesn't cave quickly and I'm guessing he won't.

I agree, but I think they had to have Ashley divorce Victor quickly so that Victor could leave town with Nikki. I just wonder how Nikki will return if EB doesn't cave quickly and I'm guessing he won't.

KSJ feels otherwise! (Nice, candid interview).

But, sure, Victor can get left at the Belgian clinic, while Nikki returns to GC to keep a watchful eye on the family for him. I totally buy that. She doesn't need to sit there in the hospital and hold his d*ck (forgive my french, but I'm angry) while he recuperates...even though she plausibly would.

I do wonder if TGVN will return to his magnificent condo if Eric re-signs...and if Nikki will move in with him, kind of like his next-generation Douglas Austin, LOL.

But 3.5s are sh!tty, sh!tty ratings! And the TREND, the TREND is still downward. Yes, we seem to be in a relatively stable window this last year, but we're starting to hit those 3.2s and 3.3s on some days. THAT is the sign of the trend.

I understand the trend is downward. All I'm saying that I think it will take Y&R 10 more years to get to where GL was. BUT maybe CBS will just pull the plug way before Y&R ever gets to the 1.6 mark. Maybe Sony or the Bells will just pull the plug themselves in 2 years. I don't deny those things are possible, but my money is Y&R still being here 10 years from now.

I understand the trend is downward. All I'm saying that I think it will take Y&R 10 more years to get to where GL was. BUT maybe CBS will just pull the plug way before Y&R ever gets to the 1.6 mark. Maybe Sony or the Bells will just pull the plug themselves in 2 years. I don't deny those things are possible, but my money is Y&R still being here 10 years from now.

Actually, my linear projection says "it hits cancellation territory--low ones" in 2016. But if CBS is down to a one-soap lineup before then (ATWT gone next year, B&B is the "oldest skewing" soap on the nets--so even with 2nd-highest viewership, it has the WORST demos), CBS may quit.

I don't know. I'll be interested to see what NBC does with DOOL. If NBC dumps DOOL, I think CBS oughta try for DOOL (to replace ATWT and B& to bring their age numbers down.

The Leno failure shows what will happen if a network goes down to one soap. Not only are they losing viewers for Leno, but they lose an hour of primetime promotion opportunities (to drama-oriented audiences) for their shows. Thus, THE WHOLE NBC LINEUP IS DOWN. And, of course, local affiliates are urinating blood over what has happened to their post-prime newscasts.

If you orphan your soaps, you don't get any promotion bump from viewers of your other soaps (who are, by definition, of soap viewers). You kill the mags and sites devoted to soaps because there is not enough traffic.

My growing sense is that ATWT goes dark in 2010, and then B&B and Y&R get cancelled together in 2011. KSJ just said (in the interview I linked elsewhere) that Y&R has only a 2-year contract left with CBS. That will be the end.

What happened to this Mark?

Goodness gracious. They had a BAD WEEK. Not even a bad week...just a lackluster week. Let's face it...this last month has really been a punctuation between the end of March sweeps (Cake-fight! Mac's home!) and the start of what appears to be a genuinely exciting May. In this inter-regnum, we gave some of the A-list players a chance to rest a bit, and we saw a few new stories launched.

If soap fans are now SO QUICK-TRIGGER that they cannot even tolerate transitional weeks, the armageddon is nigh.

So, no. MAB is not losing her way. The team is not losing their way. The show is an organism...it grows, changes, evolves. As we move from one chapter to the next, the pace has slowed a bit. It is not helped, I will confess, by that blasted chipmunk...but that is clearly not a long-term story.

I found much to admire, even in this week..."losing the way"? Look to the rest of daytime for much clearer examples of that, okay?

Sorry Mark, you know I'm just kidding with you.

LMAO!

That was mean. A total slap in the face.

You should have recalled the symphony thing, too.

I'm glad I quit watching this show, this sounds dumb.

My growing sense is that ATWT goes dark in 2010, and then B&B and Y&R get cancelled together in 2011. KSJ just said (in the interview I linked elsewhere) that Y&R has only a 2-year contract left with CBS. That will be the end.

I agree about ATWT, but I can't see CBS cancelling Y&R and B&B in 2011. B&B maybe, not Y&R. Y&R's demos have remained strong and that is a lot of replacement programming for CBS to find in a couple years. I see Y&R last another 5 years at least.