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21 hours ago, slick jones said:

II would've sent Olivia with all the "San Crap" crew.  Jeffrey, Edmund and Olivia were just reminders of that awful period.

 

I loathed all things San Cristo-crap with a passion; as much as I loathed the Santos mob and Meva Shayme.

 

UGH!

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16 hours ago, NothinButAttitude said:

Y'all are gonna stop coming for my San Cristobal crew and story! 😭

 

Minus the Reva overkill, I actually liked that period of the show. 

 

Do you all think that if Richard/Edmund (with Olivia as their assistant) were simply corporate tycoons from San Cristobal that were coming for Spaulding Enterprises & Lewis Construction that there wouldn't've been much heat on the arc? 

 

Now Jeffrey, I agree on. I felt that they should've never brought Bradley Cole post-Richard. There were plenty of men on the canvas at the time that Cassie could've been paired with after Richard's death. I always felt that they should've tried testing Cassie with Frank. 

Out of nowhere San Cristobal overshadowed Springfield. I think it would've worked better. Having the Winslow brothers being corporate tycoons. All the royal/princely stuff got on my last nerve after awhile. OLTL had their fake country Mendora in the late 80's. But Mendora never eclipsed  Llanview

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21 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

I loathed all things San Cristo-crap with a passion; as much as I loathed the Santos mob and Meva Shayme.

 

UGH!

What 3 locations were in the 3 PGP soaps AW, ATWT and GL where their spellings were only one letter apart? San Cristóbal with an a? San Cristobel with an e?

 

No San Cristobul exists.

 

How were those imaginary locales distributed? With an e - AW; with an a - GL.

 

What in the world was PGP thinking?!!!! 2 island nations in addition t their primary locales!

 

I detested both - the one with the e and the one with the a!

 

Jonathan Randall - Lewis, Marah Lewis, Shayne Lewis and Colin O'Neill. When Reva landed in San Cristobel after her 1990 automobile accident, where she drove off of a bridge. March 2019

Richard Winslow was introduced in the summer of 1999 as the Prince of the island of San Cristobel. He was an educated ruler who was brought up in a sophisticated lifestyle. 24 January 2019

Guiding Light - show into two locales. Like it *really* needed 2 locales! NOT. Springfield and the fictional island nation of San Cristobel. In Springfield, the Santos mob dynasty created much of the drama. 20 April 2019

Ray Santos (Guiding Light) - vows. He aided his cousin Danny and wife Michelle in their flight to San Cristobel to escape murder charges and became the moral adviser to his gangster. 3 March 2019

List of fictional island countries
San Cristobel: tropical island country in The Guiding Light TV series, also the name for a separate fictional nation in the TV series Automan. San Esperito: 2 May 2019

Santiago Metropolitan Park - donations, purchase or expropriate land located between Bosque Santiago and San Cristóbel Hill, inclusive. Said land was declared for public use and the creation. 11 October 2018

Sarah Elizabeth Randall - faked his death along with Sarah's. Sarah is a de facto Princess of San Cristobel, due to her father (Jonathan) being the son of Prince Richard Winslow. 22 March 2019

Olivia Spencer - Daytime Emmys. She won in 2002. A native of the fictional island of San Cristobel, Olivia is the middle child of the late Gregory and Rebecca Spencer. 1 October 2018
    
Daisy Lemay - being sent away to a disciplinary camp. When she returned, she went to San Cristobel for a family event and nearly died in a plane crash on the return trip. 2 January 2019

List of fictional princes - Cassadine. Richard Winslow Guiding Light He is the prince of the island of San Cristobel. Portrayed by Bradley Cole. Prince Munodi Gulliver's Travels The son. 22 May 2019

Phillip Spaulding - and her new fiancé, Prince Richard for a Thanksgiving celebration in San Cristobel. After the celebration, Phillip, Beth and Jim were forced to leave early. 9 January 2019

Joshua Lewis (Guiding Light) - quickly collapsed when she remembered her former life as first lady of San Cristobel. Josh was thrown off the island as she was abducted by Edmund. He quickly. June 2018

Marah Lewis - shattered when she learned that Reva had another child, Jonathan, in San Cristobel while living there with amnesia. Resentful of her mother's "other family". 1 March 2019

Guiding Light (1990–99) living on the island nation of San Cristobel as "Princess Catherine". While flying over the mountains of San Cristobel during a snowstorm, a plane carrying. 3 April 2019
    
Billy Lewis II - largely to help save the company and an amnesiac Reva from the turmoil on San Cristobel. Their past came back to haunt them when the Caruthers affair erupted
2 March 2019

Guiding Light (2000–09) - the turn of the century, a large segment of the show revolved around San Cristobel, Richard and Reva discovered that they had a son named Johnathan who 3 April 2019

 

History of As the World Turns - revolved mostly around the government of fictitious tropical island San Cristobel and the Santos mafia family at the time, did not interest Sheffer.
29 April 2019

 

San Cristóbal 'with an a' was where on "Another World" Paulina met each Jake & Ian & fell for both of them.

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Ross Marler is a fictional character from the CBS daytime soap opera Guiding Light. The role was portrayed by Jerry verDorn, who joined the series on March 19, 1979 and remained with the series until October 11, 2005.

Casting

As portrayed by actor Jerry verDorn, the role of Ross was introduced to Guiding Light in 1979 by head writers Bridget and Jerome Dobson and executive producer Allen M. Potter. verDorn received Daytime Emmy Awards in the Best Supporting Actor category for his portrayal of Ross in 1995 and 1996. In June 2005, following twenty-six years in the role, verDorn was dropped to recurring status, and left the series altogether the following October. verDorn was subsequently hired by rival daytime series One Life to Live to take over the role of Clint Buchanan. In April 2006, verDorn's absence was addressed when Ross was killed in a plane crash offscreen.

(OLTL was in dire need of someone to play Clint Buchanan &
Mark Derwin put in a good word for him. He read with Erika Slezak & the next day they offered him a contract. GL reached out to him to set up some "Ross" dates for him & he had to tell them he had already signed a contract with this ABC soap. Truly, no one could have been more different than Ross Marler of Springfield and Clint Buchanan of Llanview, which just goes to show how talented Jerry verDorn is! Unfortunately, not much time passed before Brian Frons canceled SOAPnet, AMC & OLTL.)

Storylines

Ross Marler arrived in Springfield in March 1979 as an ambitious young lawyer, whose first case was to defend Roger Thorpe against allegations that he had raped his wife, Holly Norris. Ross made every effort to prevent Roger's conviction, but this was stymied by Holly's effort to murder Roger and Roger's subsequent attempt to fake his own death, Following the debacle of Roger's trial, Ross was approached by Mike Bauer, who offered Ross a position as partner in his law firm. Ross turned down Mike's offer and began pursuing Amanda Wexler, as Ross viewed her money as the perfect launching pad into a career in politics. With Amanda drawn to Ben McFarren, Ross sought the help of Amanda's mother, Lucille, to aid him in catching Amanda's attention. However, Ross also began spending time with Eve Stapleton, and a genuine relationship blossomed between the two. In June 1980, Ross's ex-fiancee, Vanessa Chamberlain arrived in Springfield, and caught up in the memory of old times, Ross has a one night stand with her. When Vanessa wanted to pursue the affair further, Ross refused to do so, and Vanessa staged a suicide attempt in order to gain his attention.

His biggest story line revolved around his love life with Blake Thorpe. While running for senate, Ross was seduced by Blake then eventually they fell in love. They heated up the small screen with their very many amorous adventures. Their relationship had many ups and downs but they had three children together and were the love of each other's lives.

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Was Holly tarnished beyond redemption?

I have to start off saying that I have always enjoyed the Holly character.  She is neither a hero nor a vixen, she falls somewhere in the grey area in between.  Holly Norris was simply a complex character.  She was ambitious, strong, and yet slightly neurotic.   Whereas characters like Reva wore their feelings openly Holly kept her feelings closely guarded, a pool of deep still waters.  The scene from 1979 where her husband Roger Thorpe rapes Holly has become a memorable piece of Guiding Light history.  One of those iconic markers that even if it was before your time (like me) you know about it and have watched the amazing acting between Maureen Garrett and Michael Zaslow.  But it was the late 90s when the character of Holly really took a beating, a beating she never fully recovered from.  It all began with the sudden romance between Holly and Fletcher Reade that would lead to their marriage in 1995.  Months after they married Holly learned she was pregnant which left them both shocked, yet happy.  They also learned that their unborn child would be born with Downs Syndrome.  Though Holly thought of having an abortion she decided against it and later gave birth to daughter Meg.  Later they learned that Meg was born with a hole in her heart and needed surgery.  Holly and Fletcher remained happily married until 1997 when Holly decided to let Roger back in her life.  Roger and Holly’s closeness didn’t go unnoticed by Fletcher, who after seeing Roger give Holly a “grandmother’s” ring, asked Holly point-blank if something was going on between them.  After Fletcher caught Holly and Roger in an embrace, devastated, Fletcher left town with Meg in tow.   Holly fell into a deep depression and turned to alcohol for comfort.  Holly’s brother Ken,  who’d been in an institution for decades, noticed she had a drinking problem and didn’t want to watch his sister destroy herself.  Sadly, Holly let it slip that Jeffery Morgan, not Buzz Cooper, was Rocky’s father which ultimately led to the death of Jenna Bradshaw.  Though it appeared as if Holly was getting her life together, several strange occurrences began to happen in Springfield.  Harley Cooper was given a gift basket that contained a poisoned apple and Vanessa Reardon found herself bit by a poisonous spider. When each instance came with a nursery rhyme, it became clear that Springfield had a “Nursery Rhyme Stalker” who was targeting Springfield mothers ... Soon it was revealed that Holly was the Nursery Rhyme Stalker.  But this was not before she had kidnapped most of the children in Springfield including: Kevin and Jason Marler (her grandchildren), Susan LeMay, Rocky, Marina, and Henry “Coop” Cooper, Shayne Lewis, Lizzie Spaulding, Tammy Layne and Roger Joshua Jessup and held them against their will.  Thankfully when Fletcher heard that Holly was the Nursery Rhyme Stalker he returned to Springfield and convinced a judge that it was his actions that caused Holly to go off the deep end.  FLASHFORWARD to 2004 and Holly learned of Roger’s death from a man named Sebastian Hulce who claimed he was Roger’s son.   Sebastian asked Holly to take a trip to Santo Domingo to celebrate Roger’s life.  They stopped in the same hotel Roger kidnapped her years ago and even saw a waiter that resembled Roger.  But Sebastian then held Holly captive; he was dying and needed Holly to contact Ed for the cure.  After a long (and awful) storyline Sebastian freed his hostages, yet Holly stayed behind to bid him farewell. Alone, Sebastian made a convincing plea for why he and Holly should be together but Holly resisted. She really had no interest in Sebastian. She was constantly conflicted by her emotions regarding Roger, torn between love and hate.  They were at their core toxic, but so very beautiful to watch.  When asked if there were any storylines she didn’t like, it is no wonder that Maureen Garrett answers with the “Nursery Rhyme Stalker” and falling in a Stockholm syndrome type of love with her kidnapper Sebastian Hulce.  They were both awful storylines.  One “tarnished” Holly Norris and the other was so out of character for Holly it was hard to watch. (The actor who played Sebastian was very talented. However, at one point in the story, he forced himself onto Holly for a kiss.)

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Things GL Got Right

25. Aubrey Dollar.  This talented actress made the character Marina Cooper her own.  She was feisty, tenacious, and a perfect fit for the Cooper family!  She had two great pairings with both Ben and Shayne before deciding not to renew her contract in 2004.  The role was eventually taken over by Mandy Bruno, who had none of the former Marina’s “spirit”.  Aubrey Dollar will always remain my favorite Marina.

 24. Mary Stuart as Meta Bauer.  Soap actress legend Mary Stuart took over the role of the Bauer family matriarch in 1996, and thus began Meta’s task of leading this core family .  Meta was a source of love and support for Rick and Michelle, especially since their father was always gone.  And truthfully, who knows where Manny would have been without this vibrant woman’s influence!  She encouraged Michelle to be strong during her pregnancy and knocked some sense into Danny when he almost missed his son’s birth.  Check out the Mary Stuart Tribute video here.  How appropriate that Meta’s speech from this clip would later be used in Guiding Light’s opening.

 23. Edmund Winslow.  Richard’s dastardly brother, he took sibling hatred to a whole new level.  His crimes were many, his friends were few, but nevertheless he made a mark on Springfield.  You never knew which Edmund you were going to get; the angry deceitful ex-prince or the vulnerable man underneath.  Edmund was a great Guiding Light villain and certainly made things a lot more interesting.

 22. The end shot.  As a true blue Guiding Light fan I HATED to see the show end, especially with such cheap production values.  But the final shot not only fit the show but really resonated with a lot of viewers.  We had just seen Guiding Light’s last supercouple reunite for the last time, heard Reva say Jeva’s famous line “Always”, and then we see the shot of the lighthouse.  The symbol of the show, the Springfield Light House was everything from a meeting place for lovers to an apartment.  Yes the end of Guiding Light was horrible to witness but that end shot? Perfection.

 21. GusH.  Another one of those pairings that came out of nowhere and rocketed into Guiding Light history!  Part of GusH’s charm was that both characters were sort of lost when they were partnered on a case together.  Harley was pregnant after a one night stand with her ex-husband’s best friend Rick (after all it is a soap!) and Gus was on a personal vendetta against the Santos family.  But Harley couldn’t deny her attraction to the bitter detective and viewers couldn’t help but fall in love with them along the way.  The end of their marriage in 2007 didn’t stop fans from wishing that they would find their way back to each other.  But Ricky Paull Goldin’s exit, and Gus’s subsequent death, would prevent the reunion that was slated for 2008. leaving fans wondering what could have been….

20. The Fab Four.  No, not the Beatles.  This time I am talking about the Danny/Michelle and Tony/Marah couple duo.  The original Four Musketeers (Philip, Ben, Rick, and Mindy) had their era but the Manny and Marony duo were great for their own reasons.  For one, Michelle was the only person who knew what it was like loving a Santos.  So the Marah and Michelle friendship was both realistic and helpful for both women.   And Danny tried his hardest to talk some sense into Tony when he needed it, which was often.  I’ll never forget when Danny told Tony that, “Marah’s a part of you Tony, she’s a part of your soul” echoing early Manny.  These two couples could have become the new super couples of the show but sadly it never came to be.

19. The Santos Family.  While some critics think introducing the mob family was too “dark” for Guiding Light I loved them, every one of them.   I enjoyed watching Carmen try everything she could to keep Danny in the clutches of “the family” and the Cousins Santos trying to break free to be with the women they loved.  Yes I truly enjoyed this family.  They were a good addition to the Guiding Light canvas, and of course gave us two great couples: Manny and Marony.

18. All Roads Lead Back to Springfield.  The loss of so many veteran characters was part of the reason Guiding Light suffered in those final years.  I couldn’t have cared less about Greasy Grady, I wanted to know if Quint and Nola had gotten back together and where Philip was hiding.  When Lisa Brown (Nola) returned for the finale we were led to believe that yes, Quint and Nola had reconciled.   The return of classic characters such as: Philip Spaulding, Ed Bauer, Bridget Reardon, Mindy Lewis, Holly Norris, and Fletcher Reade was a great send off to a soap that made history.

17. Annie and Alan.  The writers ending this pairing is why it is on the biggest blunders list.  I never saw any of Alan’s earlier pairings, but I find it hard to imagine Alan loving anyone as much as he loved Annie.  She was manipulative and devious, and slightly crazy, which was a perfect match for the King of Devious himself.  It was the first time I saw Alan vulnerable, and I loved it!  I still maintain that Alan and Annie could have ruled Springfield for years to come!

16. The Wright Cassie.  Cassie Layne arrived in Springfield to spy on Lewis Oil for Annie and Alan.  But is just so happened that Cassie was Reva Shayne’s long-lost sister Danni Shayne.  Laura Wright and Kim Zimmer made for a great sibling duo that even Reva pulling the plug on Richard’s life support couldn’t keep these two fighting for long.  While I may not have liked some of the things Cassie did (like being the foil for Dinah and Hart) but I liked the character.  When Laura Wright left the show the great Cassie/Reva sisterhood was sadly lost in an awful pairing that should have never happened (Josh/Cassie).  But I will always remember the great Shayne/Layne sisterhood.

15.  Otalia.  Guiding Light has a history of addressing social issues (see: Diversity) so it was good to see the writers break the “taboo” of homosexual couples on soap operas.  And Olivia and Natalia’s slow build, friendship-to-romance quickly became a fan favorite.   The writers kept viewers guessing until the last episode but it was the build up that made the most impact.  It was a natural progression, nothing contrived or forced.

14. Matessa.  Long before being a “cougar” was considered “in”, Guiding Light had the delightful story of older woman Vanessa Chamberlain falling in love with younger man Matt Reardon.  It was a tastefully done, slow build, type of love story and after talking with other Guiding Light fans they seemed to have enjoyed this couple as well.  Matt and Vanessa met as strangers when he defended her in a bar.  Going by assumed names, Vanessa hired him as a handy man but the sparks between these two could not be denied.  Their relationship started out rocky (she was just getting over her divorce from Billy and he thought she was ashamed of him) but these two eventually fell in love and married in 1996.  Even Vanessa running off after learning she was suffering from a brain disorder and subsequently faking her own death couldn’t keep these two apart; they fell in love online using the name “Tess” and “Robert”!  Unfortunately as the show ended the writers decided to have Matessa end, thus ending one of the better (and long-lasting) couples in Springfield.

13. Abigail Blume.  Introduced in 1995 when Reva was suffering amnesia, Abigail left her Amish community in Goshen to get treated for migraines…and ended up falling in love with Rick Bauer.  What was particularly special about Abigail was that she born deaf, just like her portrayer Amy Cox Ecklund.  She was the first character on Guiding Light with a handicap and Abigail was so sweet it was hard not to find her character charming.  She was my favorite of Rick’s pairings because she not only supported him, but Abby also challenged him to be a better person.   I was definitely sad to see them end.

12. The 70th Anniversary episode.  For those who don’t know, Guiding Light began as a radio program about a preacher named Rev. John Ruthledge and the people of Five Points.  In 2007, in celebration of Guiding Light’s 70 year run, the cast of Guiding Light did an episode where the modern cast portrayed the characters from the radio show.  It was a great homage to history and many long-term fans (such as my Grandma whose love of Guiding Light originated in the radio days) were pleased by the effort.

11. Gina Tognoni.  Dinah has always been an…interesting characater.  At times she’s been sweet and caring while other times she is manipulative and deceitful.  Wendy Moniz was excellent at playing the many subtle layers of Dinah and her departure in 1999 left some big shoes to fill.  In 2004 Gina took up the role and she made the character her own.  Dinah was still a grey character but even when she was being bad she did it with style.  Gina was great at showcasing Dinah’s strength while also portraying her vulnerability, especially in regard to her personal relationships.  And oh how I loved the Dinah and Shayne pairing!

10. Diversity.  In the 1960’s legendary soap writer Agnes Nixon wanted to incorporate social issues into the storylines.  The result was Guiding Light being the first show to  regularly feature African-American characters.  Dr. Jim Frazier and his wife Martha were the first African-American characters on the show, which paved the way for such characters as Hampton Speakes, David and Gillian Grant, Marcus Williams, and the Boudreau family.  What was even better was that these characters weren’t just filler material, they were fully developed with meaty storylines.

9. Buzz Cooper.  Buzz was introduced as a Vietnam veteran who had abandoned his wife Nadine and kids Frank and Harley, who subsequently believed that he had died.  He returned to Springfield in 1993 when Harley started looking into why his name wasn’t one of those included on the Vietnam Memorial.  Sounds like a real likable guy right? Part of the reason the character caught on was because Buzz wasn’t instantly forgiven.  It took time for Frank and Harley to accept him into their lives, even longer for them to love him as their father.  The other part was Justin Deas.   He just had a way of playing Buzz where you couldn’t dislike him, he was not only funny but had a “every man” feel about him.

8. The return of Manny.  In my opinion these two should have never left Springfield…but I digress.  But out of all the great legendary characters that came back to give Guiding Light their big send off this couple was the one that I truly looked forward to.  They weren’t like some of the other couples where their status was ambiguous, Manny were together and happy….and moving back home!  Manny magic.

7. Bizzie.  A last-minute couple that I never saw coming.  Lizzie was the spoiled Spaulding princess and Bill, well I guess you could consider him the Lewis family playboy.  I would have never in a million years imagined these two together.  But then Lizzie matured and flourished and went toe to toe with the slightly devious Bill.  A great slow build romance that took some hits along the way Bizzie was one couple I cheered for during Guiding Light’s final hours.

 6. Always Jeva.  Reva may have married three Lewis men but no one held her heart like Josh, and vice versa.   Each time they would get divorced I would wait patiently (okay sometimes impatiently) for them to find their way back to each other.    When Reva would call Josh “Bud” or they would say their catchphrase “Always” it was hard not to love Jeva.  These two seemed to corner the market in angst but Robert Newman and Kim Zimmer would always knock it out of the park no matter what!  The writers kept viewers waiting until the very end to see these two reunited but alas, Reva and “Bud” did reunite and then drove off in search of new adventure.

 5. The Families of Springfield.   One thing that made Guiding Light so special was that at its core it was about the different FAMILIES living in Springfield.   For  years, decades even, the writers were great at building up these complex dynamics.  Alan and Alexandra’s power struggles over Spaulding Industries.  Michelle’s feelings of abandonment over Ed’s desertion.  Josh and Billy showing Tony just who he would have to deal with should he hurt Marah again.  Tony being tempted by the power Carmen and Maria dangled in his face…but ultimately remaining loyal to Danny.  Families truly were the heart and soul of Guiding Light which was what made it all that more special.

4. The Lewis Brothers.  I just had to give these two their own spot simply because the Lewis brothers were a hoot and a half!   Jordan Clarke and Robert Newman had great sibling chemistry and played well off each other.  Whether they were being loving siblings or duking it out I loved watching these two weave their magic.  And who didn’t chuckle when Billy would call Josh “little brother”? Billy and Josh mend fences: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYau0bLsM18&feature=related and The Lewis Boys: The Boys are Back in Town

 3. The Bauer Bar-B-Que.  The Bauer bar-b-que was a tradition that thankfully endured even in Guiding Light’s darkest days.  It was an episode I looked forward to every year because the whole town seemed to gather together to celebrate.  It was also good to see that even though characters came and went, some traditions were still sacred.  Here is a great video dedicated to the Bauer Bar-B-Que: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWAqRGfUHx4

2. Roger Thorpe.  The best villain in Guiding Light history, Roger Thorpe is also considered one of the best villains in all of daytime television (which is no small feat).  He had already made a name for himself by the time I began to really watch in earnest, but what I did see of Roger I enjoyed.  He was a villain you loved to hate, but that “hate” never lasted because Michael Zaslow was just that damn good!  For your enjoyment, Roger Thorpe: The Scandal Years

 1. Reva Shayne.  Created by Pam Long in 1983, this sassy vixen quickly became a fan favorite, and it was easy to see why.  She was a strong woman who rose above her humble beginnings as the daughter of the Lewis family maid to become the wife of not one, but THREE, of those Lewis men.  And along the way the self-proclaimed “Slut of Springfield” has done it all!  She’s been cloned, traveled through time, been psychic, battled cancer, and “died” three times…and that’s only the tip of the iceberg.   Portrayed by the always fabulous Kim Zimmer, Reva Shayne will forever remain one of daytime’s top characters.  In the words of Zim Zimmer herself, “Long live Reva Shayne!”

 

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I hope no one has listed these before.

Dr. John Ruthledge's sermons in his Guiding Light book:

  1. There is no death. (when his friend Luigi Pasquali who gave him his lamp died)
  2. Armistice Day (when the Great War had ended)
  3. Good Friday
  4. Memorial Day
  5. Unrest of the World (feelings of disquietude)
  6. Thanksgiving Day

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13 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

I loathed all things San Cristo-crap with a passion; as much as I loathed the Santos mob and Meva Shayme.

 

UGH!

There was only one single solitary thing that I liked about Richard and that was that Cassie read the Mary Oliver poem "Wild Geese" at his funeral and that is one of my favorite poems by one of my favorite poets. And, then, well, I am almost ashamed to admit it but there was nothing at all that I liked about Jeffrey O'Neill!

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And, doppelgangers are one of my least favorite soap tropes.

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19 hours ago, Dan said:

The main issue with San Cristobal was that juggling two locations fractured the show. If the focus of the show wasn't on that damn island, it was on Danny and his merry band of mobsters.

 

Agree!  If you weren't into the San Cristobal or the Santos mafia, you were basically SOL.

 

To me, Bruce S. Barry's departure after decades as GL's senior director was the real nail in the coffin.

 

18 hours ago, victoria foxton said:

OLTL had their fake country Mendora in the late 80's. But Mendora never eclipsed  Llanview

 

That's because you didn't have a network or sponsor pushing Mendorra the way P&G/MADD was clearly pushing San Cristobal.

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27 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

 

 

That's because you didn't have a network or sponsor pushing Mendorra the way P&G/MADD was clearly pushing San Cristobal.

I didn't know that. San Crud was SO MEH. Did they ever bother revealing what part of the world San Crud was? Was it a Latin American country ruled by European royalty. Was it a European country. A good writer would've bothered creating a history for their fake country. They should've made it AW's San Cristobal. Since both sister shows exist in the same world.

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1 minute ago, victoria foxton said:

Did they ever bother revealing what part of the world San Crud was? Was it a Latin American country ruled by European royalty. Was it a European country.

 

IIRC, SC was Latin American, off the Floridian coast, yet ruled by European (and white) royalty.

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2 hours ago, victoria foxton said:

I didn't know that. San Crud was SO MEH. Did they ever bother revealing what part of the world San Crud was? Was it a Latin American country ruled by European royalty. Was it a European country. A good writer would've bothered creating a history for their fake country. They should've made it AW's San Cristobal. Since both sister shows exist in the same world.

 

2 hours ago, Khan said:

 

IIRC, SC was Latin American, off the Floridian coast, yet ruled by European (and white) royalty.

 

19th century Latin America was kinda ruled this way (Mexico's first and last 'emperor' Maximilian was Austrian-French and parachuted in there by his cousin, French emperor Louis-Napoleon. He was swiftly executed). But in 20th-21st century GL, it made no sense. I think they wanted to reap the benefits of the 'See, we have latinos!' trend by inventing a stand-in island for Puerto Rico. But then the show became enamoured with a bunch of WASPy theatre actors (David Andrew MacDonald, Bradley Cole) who could do semi-passable British accents. So some bright spark decided they could be 'princes' of this possibly-Caribbean, possibly-Spanish speaking, island.

 

It was a horrific era on so many levels, not least because they wanted to give GL a telenovela edge but basically only to showcase these non-Hispanic newbies. Mostly I hated how it finally gave the writers an excuse to put Cassie on every day, even though she had flopped in her previous, Springfield-based SLs. I can't believe they wasted a shitload of money on location shots (Cassie hanging off the wall of a real-life castle; people running around sunny grassland for no reason; Cassie screaming from a helicopter). Given the horrendous budget cuts GL later had to endure, I feel like this giant SC spendfest is what prompted P&G to go hard with the fiscal austerity.

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You have to wonder, though -- why not just use Tanquir (from Another World)? I mean, it was already established, they had the option of carrying on Grant and Cindy's storyline, etc.

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22 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

I loathed all things San Cristo-crap with a passion; as much as I loathed the Santos mob and Meva Shayme.

 

UGH!

I disliked the Santos family, too. And, I really disliked Michelle marrying in to it.

33 minutes ago, Franko said:

You have to wonder, though -- why not just use Tanquir (from Another World)? I mean, it was already established, they had the option of carrying on Grant and Cindy's storyline, etc.

Before AW had Tanquir, it had San Cristobal with an a, while later GL came along with San Cristobel with an e. AW's San Cristobal with an a was tropical & Paulina met both Ian Raines & Jake McKinnon there & fell for both of them. It also was involved in show history that had to do with Carl's family & Mac's family & Ian's father & conflict. P&G was nutsoid having 2 island paradises with only one letter of spelling keeping them apart!

4 hours ago, Khan said:

 

Agree!  If you weren't into the San Cristobal or the Santos mafia, you were basically SOL.

 

To me, Bruce S. Barry's departure after decades as GL's senior director was the real nail in the coffin.

 

 

That's because you didn't have a network or sponsor pushing Mendorra the way P&G/MADD was clearly pushing San Cristobal.

When did Bruce Barry leave? He was so good!

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3 hours ago, Cat said:

 can't believe they wasted a shitload of money on location shots (Cassie hanging off the wall of a real-life castle; people running around sunny grassland for no reason; Cassie screaming from a helicopter). Given the horrendous budget cuts GL later had to endure, I feel like this giant SC spendfest is what prompted P&G to go hard with the fiscal austerity.

I thought that it was Beth hanging from the rope in the castle tower or am I mixing up my stories? I believe that was the end of the Beth/Edmund-- I dont even want to call it romance frankly--relationship. What was up with the show pairing Beth with abusive men? 

2 hours ago, Donna B said:

 

When did Bruce Barry leave? He was so good!

According to Toups' wonderful archive in the SON files, Barry's last episode was August 16th, 2004.

3 hours ago, Cat said:

Given the horrendous budget cuts GL later had to endure, I feel like this giant SC spendfest is what prompted P&G to go hard with the fiscal austerity.

Nah. That was John Conboy blowing most of the show's budget on stupid[!@#$%^&*] like a full baseball field for his boy toy Marty West. 

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14 minutes ago, Dan said:

I thought that it was Beth hanging from the rope in the castle tower or am I mixing up my stories? I believe that was the end of the Beth/Edmund-- I dont even want to call it romance frankly--relationship. What was up with the show pairing Beth with abusive men? 

According to Toups' wonderful archive in the SON files, Barry's last episode was August 16th, 2004.

Nah. That was John Conboy blowing most of the show's budget on stupid[!@#$%^&*] like a full baseball field for his boy toy Marty West. 

At least this was the last time the show looked good. After that it was Main Street 24/7. And then Peapack.

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9 minutes ago, Dan said:

I thought that it was Beth hanging from the rope in the castle tower or am I mixing up my stories? I believe that was the end of the Beth/Edmund-- I dont even want to call it romance frankly--relationship. What was up with the show pairing Beth with abusive men? 

According to Toups' wonderful archive in the SON files, Barry's last episode was August 16th, 2004.

Nah. That was John Conboy blowing most of the show's budget on stupid[!@#$%^&*] like a full baseball field for his boy toy Marty West. 

Oh, yes! John Conboy overspent his own budget, cutting into Wheeler's so that she walked into a deficit. Fortunately, she worked her way out of staying in a deficit. We have her to thank for that. And, while we're at it we can be grateful that ConWest was only at the show for a year. God only knows what they'd have done to things if they'd had more time!

Meanwhile, I heard the other day that said boy toy is currently making a fortune selling real estate in LA.

 

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