17 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

Yes, I was watching TGL at the time. We knew that Ken was deeply insecure about his marriage to Janet Mason. Holly had once told Ken that Janet might be having an affair with Roger Thorpe. Roger had had the hots for Janet but she firmly rebuffed his advances, although Ken remained insecure about Janet's potential interest in him. Ed and Janet also became quite close around this time, when he helped Janet deliver her baby Emily, and while she was recovering from back surgery, which ratcheted up Ken's jealousy another notch. He now saw Ed as a real rival for Janet's affection. Ken became so possessive and neurotic that Janet demanded he see a psychiatrist as a condition of them staying together. Ken agreed, but secretly stopping going to therapy. He was temporarily blinded in a car accident, and treated by Ed (!!!). After he regained his sight, Ken continued to feign blindness in hopes that Janet would at least stay with him out of pity. They continued to fight all the time, however, which distressed Janet to the point where she turned to Ed for consolation. Ken saw Ed and Janet in each other's arms while Dr. Bauer was comforting her, and this made Ken finally snap. He confronted Ed and Janet with a gun and shot Ed, which left him with a paralyzed hand.

 

I found this story to be rather melodramatic and sensationalistic. I was not a fan of Cenedella's writing on TGL or elsewhere. (I would take him over Ellen Weston and the other hacks who would later destroy the show, however.)

 

As for Leslie Bauer, a singer at the Metro nightclub, whose name was Chad Richards, became acquainted with her again through Hope, who had gotten a job at the club. Chad had a benign brain tumor at this point, which caused him to black out. He had once been in love with Leslie and was disoriented enough to believe they were still in a relationship. He attacked her but was stopped before any real harm was done. When his brain tumor was judged to be the cause of his bizarre behavior, Chad was forgiven and he left town, never to be mentioned again.

 

Not much else happened to Leslie in the year before she died. There was conflict between her and Mike when he took Freddie on a fishing trip and the boy was feared drowned, but of course Freddie survived, grew up to change his named to Rick, so all's well that ends well. Then Mike got involved with Ann and Spence Jeffers, and the story which led to Leslie's death played out.

 

I hope this helps!

 

Yes it does!!  It sounds like there was build-up to Ken shooting Ed... but it sounds like it played out in a way that didn't match with the build-up.

 

I know that when Ken returned in the late 90s... there was a scene where Holly went to Michelle and Jesse for help when he went missing.. and Michelle's body language was hostile to the point where Jesse asked her why she didn't want to help.. and she blurted out that Ken shot her father so why should she help find him.... and Holly felt bad about that happening.

 

I always thought Ken's return in the late 90s was wasted.. he provided good support when Holly was losing it.. but I always felt it would have been better had Ed been on the canvas to deal with what happened in the mid 70s.

 

If that's all Leslie was doing in those last months, it's no wonder why Lynne Adams quit.

 

 

Maureen discovers Ed and Lillian's affair. Ann Hamilton debuts as the 3rd Mindy. Mo confronts Lillian.

Edited June 15, 20187 yr by victoria foxton

 There's something so alienating about what GL was by this point. It's very slick, but too slick, made worse by the perpetually unlikeable and smarmy characters on display. I can see why I was struggling to keep going with the show by this time.

On 6/11/2018 at 9:11 AM, DRW50 said:

Thanks! Were Kit and Charlotte still on the show at this time? 

 

Do you remember this promo?

 

I don't know much about that Wilson Frost character.

 

I wonder who the woman in the hospital bed was. 

 

Sorry I missed your question earlier. The woman in the hospital bed (with Ed) is Janet (Mason) Norris.

On 6/14/2018 at 3:01 PM, Soaplovers said:

I know that when Ken returned in the late 90s... there was a scene where Holly went to Michelle and Jesse for help when he went missing.. and Michelle's body language was hostile to the point where Jesse asked her why she didn't want to help.. and she blurted out that Ken shot her father so why should she help find him.... and Holly felt bad about that happening.

 

I always thought Ken's return in the late 90s was wasted.. he provided good support when Holly was losing it.. but I always felt it would have been better had Ed been on the canvas to deal with what happened in the mid 70s.

 

 

I definitely agree. Even if it was Peter Simon in the role, the fact that Ed wasn't there was a missed opportunity. Even after 25 years (well, 30 soap time), Ed would be reminded of the man and the incident that made him unable to perform surgery. Ken, even after years of treatment, could still have resentment towards Ed for "stealing" Janet away from him. To help give Ken some added momentum, they could have cast Ken and Janet's daughter, Emily, who comes to Springfield to try to start or repair a relationship with her father.

11 minutes ago, zanereed said:

 

Sorry I missed your question earlier. The woman in the hospital bed (with Ed) is Janet (Mason) Norris.

 

I definitely agree. Even if it was Peter Simon in the role, the fact that Ed wasn't there was a missed opportunity. Even after 25 years (well, 30 soap time), Ed would be reminded of the man and the incident that made him unable to perform surgery. Ken, even after years of treatment, could still have resentment towards Ed for "stealing" Janet away from him. To help give Ken some added momentum, they could have cast Ken and Janet's daughter, Emily, who comes to Springfield to try to start or repair a relationship with her father.

 

I do think not bringing on Emily was a missed opportunity considering her aunt and cousin were still pretty active and front burning on the show at that time.  Since she wasn't raised with the Norris clan, I could have seen her being the black sheep (i.e. the only normal, sane member of the family).

2 hours ago, zanereed said:

 

Sorry I missed your question earlier. The woman in the hospital bed (with Ed) is Janet (Mason) Norris.

 

Thanks. 

 

She always looks so different to me with her longer hair - I'm so used to how Caroline looked on Soap and Benson.

Caroline McWilliams appeared in the episode concerning Papa Bauer's funeral, and I swear, with her outfit and hair, it was as if she was channeling the spirit of first-season Mary Richards.

Does anyone remember the confrontation between Nadine and Vanessa after the truth came out about Nadine taking Bridget's baby? 

It was one of my earliest memories of GL, and I wish I could find it online. Such gripping scenes between MK and JC. Seeing how Nadine and Vanessa butted heads, I can't help but to think that Nadine was a substitute for Nola. I can't, however, say that I'm that mad about it, Jean Carol was phenomenal as was Nadine. 

3 minutes ago, MichaelGL said:

Does anyone remember the confrontation between Nadine and Vanessa after the truth came out about Nadine taking Bridget's baby? 

It was one of my earliest memories of GL, and I wish I could find it online. Such gripping scenes between MK and JC. Seeing how Nadine and Vanessa butted heads, I can't help but to think that Nadine was a substitute for Nola. I can't, however, say that I'm that mad about it, Jean Carol was phenomenal as was Nadine. 

 

Yeah, I think it was a mistake killing Nadine off. I never understood that decision. Just like I didn't understand the need to kill off Maureen either. At least Vanessa was on until the very end. To answer your question, I haven't seen any clips of that confrontation about Bridget's baby. Though I do remember watching it live. What month and year was that?

6 hours ago, JarrodMFiresofLove said:

I think it was a mistake killing Nadine off. I never understood that decision

I understand killing Nadine from a story perspective.  She had an almost perfect arc as a character.  She was introduced as very unlikable, then she did a really bad thing and then, she got a redemption through her reconnecting with Buzz which set her up as a martyr when she was killed.  Considering that she was always a supporting character it is remarkable that she got a full redemption, that is rare for female characters in general and seems like a herculean writer's task for a character who conspired to keep a baby from his mother and was giving gold-digger advice to her daughter.

 

On the other hand, Peter(was that the baby's name?) was a great candidate for SORASing.

Edited June 17, 20187 yr by j swift

Why did GL drop Bridget Reardon and not bring her back until the show's final weeks? One would think she'd be a viable part of the core of GL for years to come.

10 hours ago, j swift said:

I understand killing Nadine from a story perspective.  She had an almost perfect arc as a character.  She was introduced as very unlikable, then she did a really bad thing and then, she got a redemption through her reconnecting with Buzz which set her up as a martyr when she was killed.  Considering that she was always a supporting character it is remarkable that she got a full redemption, that is rare for female characters in general and seems like a herculean writer's task for a character who conspired to keep a baby from his mother and was giving gold-digger advice to her daughter.

 

On the other hand, Peter(was that the baby's name?) was a great candidate for SORASing.

 

Yes, his name was Peter. I think he ended up living with Bridget and Dylan in Minnesota.

 

9 hours ago, amybrickwallace said:

Why did GL drop Bridget Reardon and not bring her back until the show's final weeks? One would think she'd be a viable part of the core of GL for years to come.

 

I agree. She and her son were lost in the shuffle with all the changes in producers and headwriters. Peter should have shown up in Vanessa's life again. Didn't Vanessa adopt him for awhile or look after him? This plot involved all three of them, Bridget/Nadine/Vanessa. Plus Peter was Roger's grandson (he was Hart's son). So Peter would have been the half-brother of R.J., Cassie's boy. R.J. was another kid who was not aged and seldom appeared on camera after he was born. Cassie's focus was on her other children, Tammy and Will.

 

I'd always wanted to see the original Holly in action on the show (but sadly, it appears that her stint was not preserved whatsoever).  My mom, when alive, was hoping some of her stint had been saved and would be put on the DVD's.. but alas no.   I guess this old episode of the Match Game from 1976 is the best thing out there for her.  

 

I can see why she played her for several years.. she has a presence that is both likable and fascinating.  I couldn't see her playing the Holly that was written in the late 70s... but the Holly of the late 80s/early 90s.. for sure.  

 

 

Why is it seemingly impossible to find that great photograph of her and other mid-70s GL actresses anymore? Maureen Silliman, Fran Myers, Lynne Adams, and Caroline McWilliams were also in it.