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  1. JarrodMFiresofLove

    Guiding Light discussion thread

    Sometimes one character is a seat warmer or replacement for another character. Whenever Phillip left for awhile, the focus would go to Alan's relationship with Alan Michael. The writers would just basically use the old Alan-Phillip plots for Alan & Alan Michael. When Phillip would come back it's usually because Alan-Michael was being written out, then we'd go back to the Alan & Phillip dynamic. Later when both Phillip and Alan Michael were off canvas, the writers repeated the formula with Alan & Gus Aitoro. This same sort of thing happened with Roxy and Cassie. When the writers were unable to go back to the Reva-Roxy dynamic they introduced Cassie so they could have that sisterly type bond happening on camera with Reva-Cassie. Cassie became very popular, so popular, that there was no need to ever bring Roxy back. If Cassie had flopped right out of the gate, then probably we would have seen Roxy come back, or else yet another sister created for Reva. It was really a formula the writers used and there were replacement characters who kept the formula intact. Another formula they had was Alexandra and her various sons. If it wasn't Alexandra and Lujack, then it was Alexandra and Nick. In between Lujack and Nick, there was Simon and though he was not her son, he still functioned in the same basic capacity. When Jonathan was written out, they brought in a recast Shayne so that they could keep the formula going with Reva and a son. Buzz and his children was another formula. When Harley left in the mid-90s, they brought in Lucy a replacement daughter for Buzz. I'm sure that if the show had continued beyond 2009, they would have aged Buzz's youngest son Rocky and brought him on to fill the void left by Coop who was killed off near the end.
  2. JarrodMFiresofLove

    Guiding Light discussion thread

    I think Curlee is overrated and there have been many discussions about her. But I am glad you brought up Demorest. I was surprised when I saw a 1985 episode on YouTube where he was listed as one of the scriptwriters. I thought he had only worked on the show in the 90s. So apparently he started at the bottom and worked his way up to a headwriting position. On the IMDb his credits, which are incomplete, indicate he wrote from GL from 1985 to 1993, though on the wiki page for GL's head writers he is listed as being head writer until January 1995. At any rate, he enjoyed one of the longest most continuous runs as a writer for the show during that nine or ten year period. Remarkable given all the backstage turmoil. Nobody ever talks about Demorest and his contributions. I think he must've been one of Jill Phelps' favorites, because he was co headwriter (with a revolving door of other head writers) during the entire time Phelps was executive producer.
  3. JarrodMFiresofLove

    Guiding Light discussion thread

    I think using Joe Lando in a summer arc was merely cross promotion, an experiment the network tried. Basically using his appearance on GL during that time to advertise Dr. Quinn. Lando had previous soap experience, having been on OLTL, so he could handle the format and the grind. Plus I am sure there was quite a financial incentive for him. And maybe the actor thought it would be fun to spend the summer in New York. The Macauley West character is not one fans typically remember from Guiding Light. There had to be a bit of a triangle at first, because Long couldn't just come in and act like Hawk and Lillian hadn't developed a relationship. But if it had been meant to be a long-term triangle, Hawk would have married Lillian then realized his heart was still with Sarah. It seems clear to me that Long was just undoing what the interim head writers had messed up, by making it so Hawk would reunite with Sarah without any extra complications with Lillian. As a result of this Lillian never married again until the very end of the show's run when she hooked up with Buzz. Long is the one who sent Roxy to a sanitarium. If I remember correctly the actress had quit and didn't plan to come back. So Long turned it into another story for Reva. It was mostly told from the point of view of Reva losing her sister. Of course later on in 1997 Estensten & Harmon Brown created a new sister for Reva in the form of Cassie Layne.
  4. JarrodMFiresofLove

    Guiding Light discussion thread

    Did Sally really last that long? I don't think she had many appearances in 87. The only thing I remember with her after Kyle and Billy left was she hired Hawk to be her chauffeur, a plot that was recycled later under McTavish with Marj Dusay's Alexandra hiring Hawk in the same capacity. Sally's on screen death was pretty bad...certainly not one of Long's better moments as head writer. Manetta was not an interim head writer. He and Anderson were married and this was to be a co-head writing job for them. He got things underway while she finished at DAYS then she joined him. The episodes on YouTube for January and March 87 have both their names listed as head writers.
  5. JarrodMFiresofLove

    Guiding Light discussion thread

    I don't think the cancer story started until late 87, under Long. During Long's absence from February 86 to July 87, the show experienced a lot of behind-the-scenes turmoil and much of what made it on to the screen was unwatchable. I think the biggest problem during those 16 months was that the subsequent headwriters didn't study her material, and they didn't have a real idea of how she conceived those characters (the Lewises and Shaynes in particular). Earlier I watched another episode from January 87 where Hawk proposes to LIllian. We have scenes where Reva tries to set them up at Company so Hawk can pop the question. After Hawk finally does this, Reva and Roxy are both terribly excited about it. Now we know Long would never do that. When she designed the Shaynes, she had this carefully delineated backstory of how Hawk was a drifter but he was still emotionally tied to Sarah. Reva and Roxy would have known that Lillian was nothing more than a temporary diversion, a passing fancy for their pop, and that his heart really would always belong to their mama. So for Manetta and Anderson to do all this where Hawk's proposing and his daughters are egging it on, just seems very inconsistent with how the Shaynes were defined. Clearly they did not read the backstory Long created. So their presentation of these characters is off the mark. Their presentation of all the established characters seems very much off the mark. In one of these episodes we have Alexandra whining to H.B. that he's excluding her in a business talk with Alan. The Alex that Pam Long created and wrote would never whine. She'd get right in there and show H.B. she's the brains behind Spaulding. Again Manetta/Anderson just do not know these characters like they should, and the results are abysmal.
  6. JarrodMFiresofLove

    Guiding Light discussion thread

    I feel 1985 was still a very strong year for the show. Pam Long was still guiding it. Yes, the focus was switching more to the Lewises and Spauldings, the Reardons were being phased out and the Shaynes were about to expand, but the Bauers were still central to the show even with a recast Ed. Hilary had been killed in the late summer of 1984. Mike's last episode was in November 1984 (though he did make some special appearances in 1997) and I believe Bert's last episode was in December 1984, because Charita became too ill to continue. I don't remember when Hope exited, I'm thinking it was in late 1983 or early 1984. But we still had Ed, Maureen and Rick to carry things forward in 1985 and 1986, plus Michelle would be added a short time later. Basically what happened with the Bauers is the producers just chopped off Mike's branch and made Ed's branch the continuing focus, which was later carried forward by Rick and his kids, since Michelle would marry into the Santoses. It was the spring of 1986 when everything started to fall apart. Jeff Ryder was now in charge. He seemed to build everything around Kyle Sampson as the show's new leading man (I guess without Josh around they needed him to fill the void). Calla Matthews became prominent, along with her daughter Jessie and Jessie's boyfriend Simon (they had tremendous amounts of airtime). And the Shaynes were built up with the addition of Hawk then Rusty and finally Sarah would appear in 1987. The summer of 1986 saw the pivotal return of Chris Bernau as Alan. This occurred around the time Ryder left and was replaced by Mary Ryan Munisteri. She only lasted three months as head writer, one of the shortest tenures ever. I remember she made Reva a summer camp counselor at a place called Camp Cayuga. The highlight if we can call it that was when someone tried to drown Reva in the lake at the camp. Horrible stuff. Before she was shown the door Munisteri introduced India's adopted daughter Dory and featured some faraway place called Andorra that India was either from or had visited, a dismal storyline, as well as Ross & Vanessa's long lost daughter Dinah. After Munisteri left she was replaced by Joseph Manetta, whom I felt was even worse than Munisteri, if that was even possible. Manetta wielded a big axe and started chopping. He cut six characters immediately-- Claire Ramsey, Dr. Mark Jarrett, Kyle Sampson, Calla Matthews, Jessie Matthews and Simon Hall. The first four were gone by December, while Jessie & Simon lasted until the beginning of January. Also dropped from the cast at this time was John Bolger as Phillip. Grant Aleksander finished a role as a sleazy drug pusher on Capitol and he resumed playing Philip. I believe Aleksander was on both shows in November, because his exit on Capitol had been filmed in advance. At the end of 1986 Jordan Clarke exited as Billy, but I think that was the actor's decision and they kept the door open for him to return later (the character was sent down to Venezuela to oversee H.B.'s wells). But they now had Robert Newman back in November as Josh. Patricia Barry was soon to leave as Sally Gleason, since she didn't have much to do with both her sons Kyle and Billy gone. There would be a ridiculous on screen death for the once vibrant Sally who slumped over and died in a chair. If I remember correctly she was sitting with H.B and Henry one day, started to feel sick out of the blue and croaked on the spot. That was the single worst episode I remember from this era. Barry was such a fine actress and deserved a much better send off. The character really shouldn't have been killed. She should've just left town to go off to wherever Kyle was now. Because of this error, Long was not able to use her later when Billy came home from Venezuela. Meanwhile Manetta and his wife co-head writer Sheri Anderson flooded the canvas with newbies. They brought Chelsea Reardon on board, Christine Valere, Paul Valere, Cameron Stewart (a love interest for Dinah), some guy named Cat who tried to sabotage trucks at the Lewis construction site and Johnny's sister Lacey. With the exception of Chelsea, most of their characters did not catch on. The Valeres were pretty much done by the time Long returned in July 87. Long dropped Lacey. She did keep Cameron and introduced his father George (Joe Lambie) for a father-son abuse story but that arc finished in 88. Long was more interested in developing her new family the Coopers and getting the show back to basics with her favorite clans the Lewises and Spauldings.
  7. JarrodMFiresofLove

    Guiding Light discussion thread

    My friend Mike posted some more Guiding Light episodes on YouTube from the end of 86 and beginning of 87. This is the Sheri Anderson/Joseph Manetta stuff. Not very good. One episode posted from January 87 seemed like the end for Simon & Jesse, and sure enough I see Rebecca Staab departed the cast around this time. But a wiki fan site says Shawn Thompson stuck around until April. Really? I thought they both exited together. I also remembered they had been an off-screen couple. Their sex scenes in the episode from January 87 seem very real and intense. There is no mention of their real-life relationship on Staab's IMDb biography page. She is now with actor William De Vry. But on Thompson's IMDb biography page it says he and Staab were in a relationship for 12 years. Going back to the recently posted episodes. This whole plot with India having a daughter (Dory) is cute but it doesn't really fit into the show. If they'd developed it more as comic relief, maybe, but as drama it sucks. I was never crazy about Paige Turco as the original Dinah, but I do like the scenes between Ross and Dinah. And how this long lost love child is causing Ross and Vanessa to interact more. The winter lodge episode from January 87 really seems to be pushing a bunch of new couples. Johhny & Roxy; Phillip & Chelsea; and of course Rusty & Mindy. I always thought Terrell Anthony was one of the show's most attractive guys in the late 80s. He and Grant Aleksander are significantly upping the show's pretty boy quota. Then we have hunky Robert Newman back on the scene as Josh (check out those new opening credits where Josh & Reva have that long sexy kiss). And James Goodwin gets to take his shirt off a lot as Johnny Bauer. The younger women in the cast all seem to have the same hairstyles. Like they've all come back from a punk rock concert. The actress who plays Christine Valere (Arianne Munker) reminds me of a young Nadine. I think she previously appeared on As the World Turns. She didn't last long on GL...wasn't she was gone by the time Pam Long returned in the summer? The story with Paul Valere is simply dreadful. You can see his murder coming a mile away. Anderson & Manetta were really churning out cliches. Even Henry's heart attack felt like a big cliche. At least William Roerick imbued his scenes with some dignity.
  8. JarrodMFiresofLove

    Guiding Light discussion thread

    I consider these the worst periods of this classic soap: Almost all of 1986 (Jeff Ryder slumped after Long's departure in February; Mary Ryan Munisteri had interesting ideas but there were continuity problems; Joseph Manetta was terrible, I consider him the show's worst head writer). The first half of 1987 (Sheri Anderson, who had a strong track record at other soaps, joined her husband Joseph Manetta but things got worse not better.) The first half of 1995 (Douglas Anderson's writing was slow and insipid, I consider him the second worst head writer after Manetta.) End of 2003 to mid 2004 (Ellen Weston did not get the characters at all and she destroyed the momentum Millee Taggart created.) Mid 2008 till the last episode in 2009 (Jill Lorie Hurst couldn't overcome the problems with the new production model. As Kim Zimmer says in her book "the show had become a hot mess.")
  9. JarrodMFiresofLove

    Guiding Light discussion thread

    That's right, he did marry her. She was originally involved with Floyd. Warren was kind of a Roger Thorpe type character. Not quite ethical, a bit shady and dark, but still there were a few redeeming features. And he was obsessed with power and status. At least that was my impression of him. Regarding Kyle and Reva, I'm sure the show would've turned them into a long-range couple if Josh had never come back. In many ways Kyle was the replacement for Josh. Not only did he become romantically linked with Reva, but like Josh, he was the younger half-brother of Billy. The Reva-Kyle-Maeve stuff was sort of repeated with Reva-Josh-Sonni.
  10. JarrodMFiresofLove

    Guiding Light discussion thread

    He worked well with India too. He had an earlier storyline where he was involved with a nurse who died from the dreaming sickness disease or whatever it was called. I think he started as the hospital administrator who butted heads with Ed, then he switched over into the Spaulding orbit. He was always meant to be a weasel type, but they never married him to anyone and they never brought any of his family to town, so he we didn't find out much about him and what made him tick. Probably the reason he lasted four years was because the actor who played him was very good, but it was largely an undeveloped role. I see he just died last year. I didn't realize he'd received a Daytime Emmy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Burton
  11. JarrodMFiresofLove

    Guiding Light discussion thread

    Nobody ever talks about Warren Andrews. Was that a Pam Long creation, or was he added before her first stint as head writer? The character lasted a few years but we never knew anything about his background, did we? Or if he had a family?
  12. JarrodMFiresofLove

    The Doctors

    I posted this on the Daytime Royalty site yesterday: How is everyone feeling about the departures Marland handled? I didn't like Toni's at all. Hank's felt rushed, as quick an exit as Andy Anderson got, no foreshadowing whatsoever. At least Mike's exit played out over a few weeks and Armand did some good acting at the end...but I don't quite buy the idea that Mike would leave Michael Paul behind. How Toni can go all those months without her baby is cruel. I think we're very close to the end of Martha's tenure. None of the Soap Opera Digest synopses for 1977 mention her so I wonder if she just simply stops appearing. Sara's role as babysitter for Michael Paul robs Martha of a chance to appear in scenes, and Marland has seldom featured Martha working at the hospital. It feels like we've said goodbye to some long-standing sets. Althea's place is never shown anymore. All her scenes are either at Penny's place, at the hospital or at the Powers home. I would imagine Martha's home will drop out of sight, unless someone moves in there. We don't see the lab at the hospital anymore. The hospital cafeteria is rarely used. We don't even have those nice long scenes in the elevator the Pollocks used to do all the time. Now we have the Dancy apartment, the bar where Matt & Barney hang out and Jason's very fancy law office.
  13. JarrodMFiresofLove

    The Doctors

    Interesting. Was it the same actor who played Lew/Luke the entire time? When was Virginia Dancy written out and what were the circumstances surrounding her departure?
  14. JarrodMFiresofLove

    The Doctors

    The credit on the IMDb I referenced is for an episode for The Doctors from April 1982. Maybe it was one of his last episodes and he soon moved over to Texas. He obviously had a long run on The Doctors, he was the longest lasting Dancy. I see he played Jada Rowland's father on The Secret Storm. This was the episode from the 22nd of December 1976. I just finished watching it. I think Steve's dream, which was one part flashback and one part fantasy, was meant to be over-acted. It was filmed in a very stylized fashion. Marland did surreal dream sequences like this on As the World Turns. There was a very famous one with Liz Hubbard as Lucinda Walsh and Lisa Brown as Iva Snyder, fighting over Lily (Martha Byrne). Where Lucinda went to sleep worrying about Lily finding out Iva was the biological mother. In the dream Lily is confronting them both and the two mothers are fighting over Lily. I think Marland liked doing these kinds of campy dream scenes, but they don't play well today. They seem incredibly contrived. The acting is meant to be over the top, almost like silent film actors overdoing every single emotion. Fortunately Marland was not in the habit of presenting these all the time. I'm sure the actors had fun performing them. In Britain this is called "panto" style acting. It probably has its roots in the Theatre of the Absurd movement.
  15. JarrodMFiresofLove

    The Doctors

    Is he on the show until the end? He has a credit on the IMDb for an episode that aired in 1982.
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