ROTFLMFAO!!! So wrong and yet, hysterical. I love you DeeeDee!

Wow. What a stupid and bitchy post. I agree on some points, but no Reva and Jeffrey fans? You've got to be kidding. They are EVERYWHERE. Doesn't mean YOU have to like it... but to say they don't exist, is just ignorant. Same with Jonathan and Tammy. Some hated them, but a HUGE amount loved them.

I agree that Rafe and Daisy were not a hit, nor Mallet and Marina. But you lose ALL credibility when you make it about YOUR reality, and not the REAL reality. Jeffrey and Reva were a hit. Just like Jonathan and Tammy were. Of course, you have the right to disagree, but make it truthful, okay?

Bitchy? Oh yeah sure. Stupid? I disagree. Wrong? I'm not convinced.

I will concede and appologize, however, for my comment about there being NO fans of Reva and Jeffrey (Mallet and Marina on the other hand?). You'll have to excuse me. My favorite show wasted six years on that wooden-empty sack-rapist and I'm still just a tad bitter. But to say that they were "everywhere" and that they were a "hit" was doing the exact same thing you accused me of doing: posting an opposite point of view that relies on your own reality, "not the REAL reality." After all a fanboard spamming a Soaps in Depth weekly poll is hardly imperical evidence. I know how internet fanbases work too. What would qualify as a "hit?" Ratings, longevity, critical appeal, non-internet fan support?

The only thing that I will say about the Reva/Jeffrey/Josh story was that when the show ended, I'm sorry to all their fans, but Josh and Reva needed to be the end game for the sake of the show. It might have been a slight for their fans had Jeffrey not died because it, at least, provided closure for them. Instead, nothing has been resolved, only beaten around the bush.

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ahahahahahaha.

My body hurts after seeing this.

The implication of the final episode itself seemed to be that this show began in 1983, which is just so puzzling because this is the same regime that produced the 70th anniversary episode. They of all people know that there was a GL before Reva and the Lewises the Four Musketeers, and even before the Bauers for that matter. Not even a mention of Bert? The sentence that wrapped up almost 73 years worth of history was, "Always, Bud"? Really?

The story leading up to the last episode, inasmuch as there was any coherent story, was completely off the mark as far as I am concerned. Alan should never have been killed if they were not prepared to bring back characters like Alan-Michael and Amanda (or even explain their absence). Billy and Vanessa and Buzz and Lillian having a double-wedding made no sense. Ross and Vanessa's daughter on the run, wanted for murder, again was incomprehensible.

And the flash-forward was just wrong, IMO. The point of soaps is that they happen in real time. I can only remember a handful of times on any soap that a new day has started within an episode, but to skip an entire year during a commercial break? For me, seeing what happens on a soap is not nearly as important as seeing how it happens. All of those contrived happy endings, one right after the next, just seemed so hollow. Especially since, in other genres, when a substantial period of time passes off-screen, there is typically subtext in the acting, directing, and character development to hint at the life-changing events that must have transpired to bring these characters to where they are now. Ironically, the characters/actors that I think would have been best able to do that weren't even included in the "one year later" sequence. Maureen Garrett's Holly, Peter Simon's Ed, Marj Dusay's Alex, Maeve Kinkead's Vanessa, and Jordan Clarke's Billy all suddenly reunited with each other in real time, with little or no explanation. Since there was a jump forward, why the rush - why couldn't all of that happen a year later, too? Even so, that one Ed and Holly scene was some of the richest, most nuanced acting I have seen on soaps in years. Those two played every possible beat of what little dialogue they had, and actually made me believe that they had reasons for suddenly deciding to run away together besides the fact that was in the script. Of the cast that we did get a glimpse of in the future, Zimmer and Newman did a nice job of conveying that these two characters had gone through things in the past year and had learned and evolved in the process. But not so much Daisy/Susan and James, or even Rick and Mindy. These were just not characters who had very many layers to begin with. Crystal Chappell, of all people, certainly could have conveyed a year's worth of character development with the slightest bit of material, but she had literally no opportunity to do so - I guess we're to assume that Olivia and Natalia will not even progress to kissing in the next year.

I don't know... I always thought this team had good intentions and was fighting an uphill battle, and every time I tuned in during these past couple of years and saw something remotely good, I genuinely believed it was pretty much a miracle under what must have been nearly impossible circumstances. But GL had six months to plan the finale, and they got the go-ahead to bring back past cast members (as glorified extras, for the most part, but still, they had a critical mass to craft an ending that drew from history and impacted any number of characters who were on-hand without gaping holes caused by the absences of the ones who were not). That's more than other soaps that have gone off in the recent past have had to work with, but right down to the "And now, Guiding Light" montage at the beginning, which looked like somebody designed it in PowerPoint the night before, everything seemed so ill-conceived and slapped together. This was an historic event in television hist ory, and it should not have been like that.

Excellent post. Very well said.

My CBS station is showing repeats of Dr. Phil in GL's timeslot now. What does everyone get now at that time?

I really agree with some of the points made. Rick and Mindy DID need more development. The finale DID act like Springfield did not exist before 1983.

I don't like when a soap asks viewers to fill in all the blanks. It's lazy and insulting.

However, I feel like they gave us no options, and perhaps they couldn't afford to use the actors more, I don't know. I guess I was happy to get anything at all.

My CBS station is showing repeats of Dr. Phil in GL's timeslot now. What does everyone get now at that time?

The Price is Right.

I do agree that the ending for GL was rushed. Glad Mindy and Rick ended up together. That's what I always wanted but it was rushed with no build up whatsoever. The show still featured characters I could care less for. EW had plenty of time to end bad storylines and start new ones with Holly, Ed, Rick, Mindy...etc.

My CBS station is showing repeats of Dr. Phil in GL's timeslot now. What does everyone get now at that time?

Right now, we're getting re-runs of "The Price is Right" until "Let's Make a Deal" starts.

I'm also thankful that GL fans did not have to experience something as awful and disrespectul as having a gorilla appear in the final episode.

EEEEVVVIIILLL!!! LMAO!

The 1983 statement is true, and I wonder if it was Wheeler's idea to treat the final episode that way.

It was under Wheeler that we got that fantastic Anniversary episode, AS WELL as the arrival of a Rev. Rutledge(According to the show he was Rev. Rutledge's great grandson), who was heavily prominent in the Josh-as-a-Reverend storyline.

The 1983 statement is true, and I wonder if it was Wheeler's idea to treat the final episode that way.

It was under Wheeler that we got that fantastic Anniversary episode, AS WELL as the arrival of a Rev. Rutledge(According to the show he was Rev. Rutledge's great grandson), who was heavily prominent in the Josh-as-a-Reverend storyline.

Wow, I didn't know that about Reverend Ruthledge's great-grandson, but yeah, the 70th anniversary episode was probably the best soap anniversary episode ever (dare I say I'd rank it ahead of ATWT's 30th anniversary and both of AMC's 90s anniversary shows?). That would have been an appropriate finale, moreso than what we got. I am normally inclined to blame a lot on network interference, but you would think when a show has been canceled, there's an acknowledgment that all of the market research in the world isn't going to help the ratings, so why on earth wouldn't the number crunchers stay out of it?

Although after reading Marlena de la Croix's column, a part of me feels guilty for splitting hairs... She was right, it's over, whether it was done well or not it could have been much worse, and I never would have thought I would see characters like Holly and Ed and Bridget on my tv screen again. So maybe I should just take it for what it's worth.

As a 3rd GL gen. - this has been the first week w/out watching GL or recording GL and also I did watch any CBS daytime at all and I miss my Light and the characters.

As a 3rd GL gen. - this has been the first week w/out watching GL or recording GL and also I did watch any CBS daytime at all and I miss my Light and the characters.

Even with all it's flaws, I miss the show too. This week has really brought it home for me that it's over and now I'm officially in mourning.

GL was part of my entire adult life and was my one constant in that time. I miss her terribly.

I'm in mourning as well Greg...

I think the part that got me was when I turned the TV on at the GL time and saw Drew Carey spinning a wheel. Is this what I grew up watching, what my grandmother watched every day, this is what we get now? Sad.

I will always miss GL, but I just try to think of the show as being a survivor, even to the end. There were so many flaws, but honestly, if you asked me around 2003 or 2004 if I thought the show would even have a halfway decent ending, you wouldn't want to hear my answer.

The weird part is I still miss some of the long gone characters, like Ross and Nadine and Maureen, more than the show itself.