Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted December 17, 2009 Members Share Posted December 17, 2009 Y&R is lower rated in Australia when compared to B&B and DAYS, and outside of the US, Y&R's biggest market is France and Canada. Y&R isn't as successful internationally as B&B is. Y&R's production costs comes mostly from CBS's licensing fees, not from international sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members y&r_fan Posted December 17, 2009 Members Share Posted December 17, 2009 To be fair, that's because Y&R only airs on cable and the others are on commercial networks. True, Y&R isn't as successful internationally as B&B, but it certainly is more so than ATWT or GL. Y&R still airs in Australia, France, Italy, the UK, Belgium, Poland, India, Romania, South Africa, Switzerland, Greece and Finland. I assume they profit a lot from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sheilaforever Posted December 17, 2009 Members Share Posted December 17, 2009 B&B returns to German audiences beginning March 2010 for a year full double episodes. It's replacement has been pulling atrocious ratings even though B&B itself hit alltime lows just before it went of the air due to being to close to US airings (the show is dubbed and therefore needs some psot-production time). So it will be decision time come 2010... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members classicmoment Posted December 17, 2009 Members Share Posted December 17, 2009 You know that's how I feel when I watch and cringe and so many things I see, but then my whole thing is even for the rich that is a dangerous business acumen to have. Sony it may not be AS bad as the Bells or even CBS this is one of a variety of product in and out of sho-biz they are vested in and at the end of the day when they have a reached a threshold they can cut their losses, they don't have to find a fast replacement or consider it as big of a loss as the other two major investors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted December 17, 2009 Members Share Posted December 17, 2009 I'm really not that invested. If Sony made a chance, I'd welcome the new team and give them a chance. It's just that I don't see things as that awful (and I have admitted that I think many things are bad) that a complete replacement will matter. In the back of my mind, I think phasing out these two middle-managers who don't get Y&R (Sheffer, Hamner) and bringing in someone from Bill Bell's team (you've mentioned lots of good names) would do the trick. I watched B&B yesterday. Ridge made a sudden story shift (he was going to do lousy designs to undermine Spencer), and high school student (more or less) Steffy was in a battle with Whipple on "The Catwalk"--even though they're sorely mismatched. Both ostensibly did rival fashion promos...but their promos were AWFUL. All through this, Pam Douglas meowed, Stephanie Forrester mugged, and Sergei leered over Owen. It was strangely compelling...but not in a way that speak "quality" or "depth" to me. These days, I'm enjoying DOOL/GH/OLTL more than B&B, when I can see them. But as I have said before, my attachment to Y&R transcends the regime-of-the-moment. As long as the characters and locales remain roughly recognizable, I'm good. If they bring on another doppelganger, I'll sputter along with the rest of us. Yeah, but it seems like the ratio is changing. I think it used to be: CBS covers production costs, and the rest of the world generates profit. Now, I think, profit is down, and the international sales start to make up a deficit in the production cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted December 17, 2009 Members Share Posted December 17, 2009 I love it how you've just repeated everything Mark said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted December 17, 2009 Members Share Posted December 17, 2009 Remind me again... Why did Latham fire Sherwood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Juliajms Posted December 17, 2009 Members Share Posted December 17, 2009 Dear God in heaven...if she really believes this we are doomed DOOMED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted December 17, 2009 Members Share Posted December 17, 2009 Oh please, the show has hit rock bottom with Maria Arean Bell, both solo and now with Sheffer and Hamner, how is she not a common denominator in all this? Her weak leadership is definitely one of the causes for why Y&R is the way it is. Many of us have also found the day to day writing and production horrible this past year, so something must be done in those areas too. As well as in casting... Even you can't excuse how far this show has fallen, we keep expecting this regime to get better, but they continue down the same disastrous path. It's never going to change with them. Is that why you have a tendency to downplay flaws on Y&R and over-emphasize them on other shows? Y&R has been one bad soap cliche after another this year, one more doppelganger isn't going to make me realize something I already haven't this year. International sales don't go into the production budget. CBS owns and operates the studio Y&R tapes in, and they pay a fee to produce the show. International sales goes to the production companies, in this case, Bell and Sony, not the actual show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted December 17, 2009 Members Share Posted December 17, 2009 Crazy swing in a crazy asylum. What more can one say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted December 17, 2009 Members Share Posted December 17, 2009 I don't think we're at rock bottom . There are many specific things I dislike (anything related to Lily's current story and portrayal; the pacing; the threat of Sheila's return; doppelganger-mania), but there are many responses to the flaws of the summer I like (business story--Chancellor IPO intrigues me; Tucker--even with Russ; Heinle and Luckinbill finding some fire--especially Heinle with Miller; bonding with Miller and Graziadei; the "somewhat of a family" emerging with Scoobies, Kay, Phyllis; the mystery of who is sending rats). I realize I am alone in liking most of this. I don't think Maria Arena Bell is going anywhere. Yes, Sony has some control, but I think as long as Y&R is now being sold at a deficit, MAB is like Brad Bell. There as long as she wants to be. So it seems fruitless to me to wish her gone. She's there as EP/HW for the forseeable future. So the degrees of freedom, IMO, are in the underlings. That's just my opinion. I'm not sure, at this point, I'm downplaying flaws. I see plenty of 'em. But I love her anyway. Flaws on other shows? Right now, the only show I can't seem to surmount my negativity for is B&B (but I'm still watching once every couple of weeks). I'm watching more of OLTL, DAYS and GH these days, and enjoying big parts of them. I never seem to watch AMC. I never have watched ATWT with any real interest, except briefly during the Nuke-drama. I don't really have any "flaws" to identify for any show, right now. I could probably dissect B&B, but why bother. We all know what the strengths and weaknesses of that formula are. For me the doppelganger was the last straw. I realized what Y&R had become. I was angry. But then I had a choice. Reject it because it was now sh!t, or soldier on, and enjoy what I could. This was helped by the fact that Haiduk is a good actress. I'll never expect greatness from Y&R again. Yesterday I FF'd half the show (anything related to Lily, for sure...and some other tale I can't even recall right now)...but what I watched was okay. I'm not looking at Y&R for my "that is great" moments. I'm finding them elsewhere. Sometimes Y&R _is_ great, and I savor those moments. You know better than I do. I assumed, esp. for Y&R, that we had a situation where CBS pays a license fee to Sony, and subtracts out the studio costs. (Or, alternatively, that the studio costs are billed as a vendor arrangement). Regardless, I assume that production costs are fixed and under the control of the managing partners...but that CBS is going to get its bills paid no matter what on the production side. Again, I only go by what I have read, most recently via Logan-Brad Bell. There is less $$ coming in to Bell from CBS. They're selling the shows to CBS at a deficit. Obviously, the deficit is made up from somewhere...e.g., international sales. CBS, quite independently, makes less revenue from ads. When that falls below what CBS needs given its expenses, that is when the Bell shows will go. I don't see any controversy or point of debate here, IMO. I just think I interpret what is happening differently, and I take it with less anger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted December 17, 2009 Members Share Posted December 17, 2009 I think many viewers -- not all -- felt that Sherwood was a limited actress. Moreover, Latham is right...those who originated roles USUALLY fare better (in audience acceptance). Of course, even those who missed Khalil now must realize that what seemed "good" at first (she played a whiny, spoiled teenager who made reckless decisions well) is not acting, but self-portrayal. Thus, as Lily has matured, the actress has not. Khalil in the role of Lily is now a disaster of epic proportions--the worst casting (bar none) on Y&R. Others have offered cultural/racial interpretations for the acceptability (or lack thereof) of either actress. That's an unwinnable debate, and not worth excavating, IMO. At this point, though, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a thinking viewer who does not want Khalil replaced. She is horrible beyond compare. This chirpy little thing with babies and puppies on the brain is not convincing as someone with a 60% chance of imminent mortality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted December 17, 2009 Members Share Posted December 17, 2009 I don't think fans should have to lower their expectations because the writing regime at the show can't tell very BASIC soap opera stories and fail at very basic stuff like romance, plotting, character development, etc... We shouldn't get to the point where we're content with mediocrity and crap all the time. And it certainly isn't in just one storyline... Emily has turned into a waste of space, I want her gone. Talent comes and goes, and with Haiduk, she was definitely expendable. They shouldn't have destroyed Patty in the first place. Also, very soon she'll be telling Jack she's in "love" with him. Yeah, after 5 minutes of knowing him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bellcurve Posted December 17, 2009 Members Share Posted December 17, 2009 I saw a little bit of it last night(trying to fall asleep) and I thought it was so weird that Jack was flirting with Emily and saying stuff like, "I love hearing your voice over the phone" or "It's always great to see your face." Did the scriptwriter's forget that Emily has the exact same face as crazy Patty Jane? Why would Jack say these things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members classicmoment Posted December 17, 2009 Members Share Posted December 17, 2009 To set the stage for both women characters to trade places. From a character perspective it is just not understandable that this dpesn't bother Jack more than depicted but this team must hit their horribly paced plot "twist" of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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