12 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

People pretend like the hacking makes any difference to Republicans (and some Bernie bros) who chose to vote for a racists, sexist, mysogynist who has no experience with even so much as running a non-profit properly.

 

Yet, we're supposed to believe that these hacks would've made all the difference puhlease! Republican voters (and a some Democrats) don't care about any of this. They just wanted to tear things completely down, thinking that someone will rebuild it but they are most likely in for a rude awakening.

 

Exactly.  Our government has Barack's n****r cooties all over it, so we got burn it down and clear it away like the Black Plague and the Great Fire of London.  It's the only way.  [/sarcasm]

 

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: it just might take another 9/11-like atrocity for many of these people to see just what they have done to this country that they claim to love so much and want to "make great again."

11 hours ago, Huntress said:

I'm still in shock about the attack in Berlin. This is my capital, this is my country.

 

Christmas markets are such a big tradition here in every city, and these places are always crowded. I was at a Christmas market myself yesterday – for the 8th time in 3 weeks –, and I always had so much fun meeting friends. On the subway home I read about the attack, I just couldn't believe it.

 

I'll be going again on Friday, but it'll surely have a different vibe...

 

And of course this attack will play into the hands of the right wing parties and their followers all across Europe... 

 

That is the trouble with terror: it makes people think and behave illogically.  Slasher film franchises are built upon this concept.

 

Please be safe, Huntress.  My thoughts and prayers go out to all who have been affected by the Berlin attack.

10 hours ago, marceline said:

 

Yeah, that's why I'm not here for these "change" voters. Most of them can't even begin to articulate what change they want. They simply assume that it will benefit them.

 

Agree.

8 hours ago, AdelaideCate007 said:

 

Yet heaps and heaps of us here in other parts of the world feel- given America's history, how the country was founded, and the fact that a large portion of the problems can be traced back to the actions of America- that the US has zero right to be turning away refugees like you have been doing.

 

It's nice that a minority of Americans feel "safer" (I think we both know that they don't really feel "safer"- more like their racist viewpoints have been vindicated) while everyone else feels even more unsafe and the rest of the world is sitting around terrified that the orange blob you just made president is about to start and drag the rest of us into WWIII.

 

Also, stop with the "America is so much safer now!" nonsense. America has always been the safest country (aside from the gun violence which is America's doing) and I think most Americans know that and would agree. Until you've had to actually live in some place that was under real threats of violence, all of these Trump supporters claiming they're "so much safer now" can shut the [!@#$%^&*] up. They've always been safe.

 

Agree, agree, and agree.

Edited December 21, 20168 yr by Khan

3 hours ago, JaneAusten said:

You sound like General Flynn who doesn't know why they hate us, doesn't want to know, and doesn't care to learn to find out. He just wants to nuke them all.

 

I've read several articles online about Flynn.  According to people who have known him and had contact with him in the past, his behavior (e.g., tweeting fake news and way-out-there conspiracy theories as truth) and statements regarding Muslims is surprising and an almost complete 180 from the Flynn they used to know.

 

I don't know whether to believe their claims -- he's probably been Islamaphobic all along, he only stopped hiding it -- but if they are accurate, it does raise some questions, I think, about Flynn, his history of relations w/ Muslims, and why his attitudes toward them have changed (if, in fact, they have changed at all).

Edited December 21, 20168 yr by Khan

Safe is a relative thing. Of course we are safer than war torn countries, but we still have a target on our backs.  Just because most of the people who have tried to attack us have mostly failed doesn't mean our luck will hold out.  It's only a matter of time before someone manages to pull off another major attack. Especially when you consider some of these terrorist are state sponsored. That's way more dangerous than a guy with a truck who can only kill a few people at a time. Of course, I don't think we are safer under Trump, quite the opposite. 

5 minutes ago, Juliajms said:

Safe is a relative thing. Of course we are safer than war torn countries, but we still have a target on our backs.  Just because most of the people who have tried to attack us have mostly failed doesn't mean our luck will hold out.  It's only a matter of time before someone manages to pull off another major attack. Especially when you consider some of these terrorist are state sponsored. That's way more dangerous than a guy with a truck who can only kill a few people at a time. Of course, I don't think we are safer under Trump, quite the opposite. 

 

Agree.

10 hours ago, Juliajms said:

Yep. I don't remember him being a troll when he posted years back, but obviously times have changed.

Yes they do. Greg is like Max was....it isn'w what you say but how you say it. I have changed myself....I was quite the partisan ass back then, but now realize it's not worth all that vitriol. Greg, max and a few others couldn't join the discussion...and we have others that post who, like myself, would join into the scrum. Greg is Greg...but he posts from sites that are now famous for printing and posting lies, hatred and slander. I personally can't take any of that seriously. LOL

16 hours ago, quartermainefan said:

Republicans cornered the market on religion through branding I guess.   This all started 40 years ago but remember it was Jerry Falwell (whose departure from this mortal coil made the world a better place) who had the so-called "moral majority" as if to not be with them meant somehow you were not moral.   And then there is the whole ridiculous label of "values voters" which the media signs off on.   Is there anyone anywhere who doesn't vote with their values in mind?   I voted my values:  I voted against the guy who the KKK supported.  

 

Forty years of branding takes hold, but this year the religious crowd showed themselves to be the hypocritical, values-free, cynical charlatans they always were when the family first crowd voted for the guy who kicks all his wives to the curb when they get too old, rather than vote for the woman who despite her earlier dismissal of Tammy Wynette did indeed stand by her man for 40 years.    I truly find all conservative christians to be the most odious people in America--up and down the line.   My radar is up the moment I hear people mention that politics are being discussed among church goers, because that means somewhere in that discussion is a crooked minister trying to sway his flock to do what he says.

 

ICAM with all of this.  So, so true.

Trump posse browbeats Hill Republicans

For what it's worth, JMO but I think that a schism among evangelicals is inevitable. There has been an emerging community of evangelicals of color that are breaking ranks with the old guard. There are also younger and middle aged white evangelicals who believe that the Paula Whites, Jerry Fallwell Jrs of the world are only looking out for their bank accounts and not doing any service to the poor, which many evengelicals (particularly those of color) believe should be central duties for evangelicals.

 

I read about the clash between Liberty University and Fallwell Jr where hundreds of students staged a walkout and were reprimanded by Fallwell Jr. 

 

I think there will only be more of these clashes to come.

 

Just reading that Trump has the 3rd lowest percentage of popular votes of any candidate since 1824, when they began recording the popular vote-- but Trumpkins can keep lying to themselves and believing that he has any mandate (55% of Republicans actually believe that Trump won the popular vote).

 

1 hour ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Just reading that Trump has the 3rd lowest percentage of popular votes of any candidate since 1824, when they began recording the popular vote-- but Trumpkins can keep lying to themselves and believing that he has any mandate (55% of Republicans actually believe that Trump won the popular vote).

 

 

Keep in mind that there's a significant number of conservatives who blame Obama for the response to Hurricane Katrina. These are people who will believe anything they are told no matter how ridiculous. We saw it when Donald claimed that he saw Muslims celebrating in New Jersey when the towers fell. His followers swore they saw it too. The Jedi Mind Trick is real with these folks.

What a mess this is - even after the most blatant anti-Semetic campaign in the lifetimes of many Americans, it's the Democrats who are tearing themselves to pieces over the issue and talking about how they will lose the Jewish vote because of not being pro-Israel enough.

 

http://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2016/12/israel-palestine-tensions-ripple-through-democratic-party-chair-races-108212

As politically active as I clearly am, one subject I stay completely away from is Israel/Palestine. I've never seen a conversation about that subject that didn't dissolve completely.

3 minutes ago, marceline said:

As politically active as I clearly am, one subject I stay completely away from is Israel/Palestine. I've never seen a conversation about that subject that didn't dissolve completely.

 

I agree. It's just unfortunate because this is the issue that is apparently determining the future of the party. I don't know what it is about the DNC that seems to lead to such constant problems. 

1 hour ago, DRW50 said:

What a mess this is - even after the most blatant anti-Semetic campaign in the lifetimes of many Americans, it's the Democrats who are tearing themselves to pieces over the issue and talking about how they will lose the Jewish vote because of not being pro-Israel enough.

 

http://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2016/12/israel-palestine-tensions-ripple-through-democratic-party-chair-races-108212

 

Trump was pro Israel though, and this is a deal breaker for many jews and with good reason.   If the DNC wants to install a pro-Palestine muslim then  let them knock themselves out and have a party, but there shouldn't be such a shock when the old jewish ladies in FL go looking for a new home.    Knowing this is an issue for a large constituency in an all-important state, I am not sure why the party wants to nominate people who will upset that applecart.   Where is the upside?

 

 

The Cubans in FL have their big issue, the jews have their big issue...everybody has an issue dear to them.   That's just the way it is.

Dummies!

 

Some Trump Voters Will Be ‘Pissed Off As Hell’ If He Defunds Planned Parenthood

 

Edited December 21, 20168 yr by DramatistDreamer

17 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Dummies!

 

Some Trump Voters Will Be ‘Pissed Off As Hell’ If He Defunds Planned Parenthood

 

Then maybe they shouldn't have voted for him.