$70,000 is not the same thing in all places.   You want to move to NYC for your career and you don't want three roommates because you are no longer 19?  $70,000 will be tough.  

5 minutes ago, quartermainefan said:

$70,000 is not the same thing in all places.   You want to move to NYC for your career and you don't want three roommates because you are no longer 19?  $70,000 will be tough.  

 

Yet NYC overwhelmingly voted for Hillary.  So I definitely believe that the Trump vote being about economics is not convincing.

Edited December 8, 20169 yr by DramatistDreamer

1 hour ago, quartermainefan said:

$70,000 is not the same thing in all places.   You want to move to NYC for your career and you don't want three roommates because you are no longer 19?  $70,000 will be tough.  

Who would move to NYC and take a position making $70,000 though? You do that when you are 22 and have a degree and are willing to sacrifice to get ahead.  People who aren't wealthy move and commute when they want to have families. Same as SF. I  had coworkers who would drive two hours just to get to work when I lived there because they were married and didn't want pay $3,000 a month for an apartment. I don't think many of these people were Trump voters. Do you vote to burn it all down when you have hope?

 

I don't know. I guess I just have to stop trying to figure out exactly how and why this happened and just accept that it did and here we are.

NYC is expensive!  I have friends there and I remember one time them mentioning how much more a simple burger is compared to other places.....LOL. I almost fainted at the price of that burger...ahahahaha

2 hours ago, quartermainefan said:

$70,000 is not the same thing in all places.   You want to move to NYC for your career and you don't want three roommates because you are no longer 19?  $70,000 will be tough.  

 

I lived in NYC for over a decade. And yes, 70K is not the same there, but anyone who lives in NY proper knows what they signed up for. You either room with people, as many do, or you make enough, period.

Edited December 9, 20169 yr by Vee

Most Trump supporters definitely aren't making $70,000 a year, at least not the ones that decided the election. Those that do make that amount aren't getting benefits, so a lot of their money goes towards insurance. The problem with Trump supporters is that they want high pay for low maintenance jobs, but that just doesn't happen anymore. These people have started blaming immigration and minorities for their economic troubles, which is exactly what drove this election.

2 hours ago, Juliajms said:

I see a lot of people on twitter railing against "trailer park trash" for voting for Trump, but I'm pretty sure that's a misconception.  It's not the working poor who put Trump in the white house, it's the blue collar middle class. Also, I think more educated republicans (including white women) voted for Trump then people originally thought would.

 

IA that there were probably more educated republicans that voted for DJT than was originally forecast, the (white) working poor were/are big DJT voters.  My family is from rural north FL, and they overwhelmingly vote republican.  It still amazes me to see a family of 4or5 riding down the street in a 1990 Ford Escort with the back bumper taped on...and a Trump bumper sticker 

 

Just sayin.  The trailer park is Trump country.

 

 

3 minutes ago, GMac said:

 

IA that there were probably more educated republicans that voted for DJT than was originally forecast, the (white) working poor were/are big DJT voters.  My family is from rural north FL, and they overwhelmingly vote republican.  It still amazes me to see a family of 4or5 riding down the street in a 1990 Ford Escort with the back bumper taped on...and a Trump bumper sticker 

 

Just sayin.  The trailer park is Trump country.

 

 

The people who live in trailers, get foodstamps, medicare and disibility deserve what they are going to get. I'm just saying there is a big difference between blue collar workers and people living in poverty. The poor aren't really known for voting in large numbers which is why they are always getting screwed.

38 minutes ago, ReddFoxx said:

Most Trump supporters definitely aren't making $70,000 a year, at least not the ones that decided the election. Those that do make that amount aren't getting benefits, so a lot of their money goes towards insurance. The problem with Trump supporters is that they want high pay for low maintenance jobs, but that just doesn't happen anymore. These people have started blaming immigration and minorities for their economic troubles, which is exactly what drove this election.

I disagree.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/

16 minutes ago, Juliajms said:

The people who live in trailers, get foodstamps, medicare and disibility deserve what they are going to get. I'm just saying there is a big difference between blue collar workers and people living in poverty. The poor aren't really known for voting in large numbers which is why they are always getting screwed.

I disagree.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/

The maps don't really support Trump supporters making the much. Trump over performed Romney in white areas that are heavily impoverished, whereas he under performed Romney in counties with higher median incomes. Most of the counties that Trump swung were once manufacturing areas. There are plenty of Trump voters who vote for whoever is at the top of the ticket representing the Republican Party and there are those who voted for Trump in hope of change. There are people relying on Obamacare who voted for Trump.

Edited December 9, 20169 yr by ReddFoxx

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-original-operatives-frozen-out-232383

 

 

Why doesn't this surprise me.  He's given an anti-environmentalist the reins of the EPA, a charter school advocate the Education post and now this.

 

http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/08/news/economy/andrew-puzder-trump-labor-secretary/

 

I can't understand how things that logically wouldn't be politicized, are.  Why are things like climate change anathema to the right?

 

17 minutes ago, GMac said:

Why doesn't this surprise me.  He's given an anti-environmentalist the reins of the EPA, a charter school advocate the Education post and now this.

 

http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/08/news/economy/andrew-puzder-trump-labor-secretary/

 

I can't understand how things that logically wouldn't be politicized, are.  Why are things like climate change anathema to the right?

 

 

They take it as being attempts to regulate businesses. 

 

The religious right generally doesn't have as much of an issue against climate change, but they're suckered into silence. 

 

The guy sounds like a real mess. 

Not too long ago, I joked that Trump should pick either Heidi Fleiss or Sydney Biddle Barrows for Labor secretary.  But, you know, now that I've seen who Trump DID pick, maybe it wouldn't be such a bad idea after all to have a former madam in charge of America's workforce.

Edited December 9, 20169 yr by Khan

1 minute ago, DRW50 said:

 

They take it as being attempts to regulate business

 

The religious right generally doesn't have as much of an issue against climate change, but they're suckered into silence. 

 

The guy sounds like a real mess. 

 

Ahhh.  True.

 

He does sound messy scary.  I suppose when President Obama took office, and he appointed someone that believed in protecting the environment, clean water, clean air...republicans were pissed?!?!?  Because, how dare you give me water to drink that won't result in uncontrollable diarrhea or lead in my bloodstream.  Ugh.

 

40 minutes ago, ReddFoxx said:

The maps don't really support Trump supporters making the much. Trump over performed Romney in white areas that are heavily impoverished, whereas he under performed Romney in counties with higher median incomes. Most of the counties that Trump swung were once manufacturing areas. There are plenty of Trump voters who vote for whoever is at the top of the ticket representing the Republican Party and there are those who voted for Trump in hope of change. There are people relying on Obamacare who voted for Trump.

OK, so then what was the median income of Trump voters? It seems to me people want to scapegoat the poor even though the facts don't support that.