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Dina had all the elements in place but didn't hang around long enough to become a real force in GC-sleeping with various men, getting involved in business deals etc. Bill Bell seemed to lose interest. Not sure why as Marla/Dina had the potential to become a long term player in GC. What was the story for Dina's first exit?

Thanks @YRfan23 No Abby this month. Camryn must be recurring and Bryton either recurring or 1 a week guarantee.

Looks like most contract players are on 3 a week guarantee.

Resurrecting this topic. In the 80's pretty much as a result of Dynasty(Alexis) we saw the focus on wealthy more mature business women who could be quite demanding in business and the bedroom. Felicia AW, Lucinda ATWT, Alex GL, Gwyneth LOV, Rae RH-although she was already there before Alexis took off. Established characters on other shows were remoulded into that archetype eg Dorian OLTL, Stephanie SFT. AMC had Erica who didn't really fit that slot but I think they were reluctant to introduce any sort of character that might outshine her. Days, GH, didn't really go there. Later in the 80's Jill took that spot on Y&R. Any other examples?

I liked Gina but was disappointed she was cast as Phyllis. When Summer left in 2016 ,I think that was a good time to rest the character. Phyllis' marriage to Jack was over (again) the Billy romance was yuck and the ship had sailed with Nick. A good time for Phyllis to leave town-no children on the canvas and no viable romances. But Y&R insists on keeping everyone around.

OK Thanks for that -must have missed that ep.

Billy got a new set that actually was attractive. We've not seen it in months. Something very odd about the budget decisions for this show. As for the Mariah 'storyline' ,just repeated scenes of Mariah being weepy and shutting everyone out and then...nothing.

Harsh but true. She seems to make every post, ostensibly about someone else, all about her. And she should be embarrassed about some of her 'acting' choices.

Thursday cliffhanger Nikki thinks her husband's dislike of Kyle had more to do with Jack. Victor admits he’ll always despise the Abbott. Nikki fumes that this feud has to end. Stubborn as ever, Victor declares the war will never come to an end!!!! I was riveted by this revelation. Meanwhile Kyle decides to propose to Claire-the love of his life. Not to be confused with Summer and Lola 2 previous loves of his life. This will be Kyle's 4th marriage in 6 years.

Good point.

I recall Ellen Wheeler saying that she would bring back characters for the final weeks that viewers really wanted to see and I'm thinking if that was the case why did she wait until the end? Wouldn't it make sense to bring them back before that? Maybe when the show is struggling and could use the boost? Never understand some of the dumb decisions made...

On paper the Chelsea/Allison/Madison story had legs but casting, pacing and writing choices have sabotaged it.

As stated Wed, Thurs and Fri @10 slots were taken. That left Tuesday where NBC scheduled Flamingo Road for 2 seasons with middling success.. In 83 Hart to Hart was still prospering for ABC in that slot and CBS had a movie. As for NBC once The A Team and Riptide took off, Yellow Rose might have worked 10pm as Hart to Hart was dropping but they didn't take that opportunity. Monday-CBS tried with Emerald Point but that didn't work. One strategy might have been to move Falcon Crest to Monday and place Emerald Point on Fri after Dallas but CBS were reluctant to tamper with a hit lineup and possibly weaken Friday. ABC had football and NBC a movie so no room there for a soap. Mid season ABC went with a movie. They did premiere Dynasty Mon @9 before the move to Wed. Saturday-There was the opportunity for a soap to survive there but Midland Heights, Yellow Rose and Berrengers all failed. But both CBS and NBC didn't have strong lineups to support a 10pm soap. Sunday. Early on Dallas had some success Sunday @10. Both NBC and ABC ran movies and dropping the movie for series was too risky. Of all those scenarios I think NBC had the best chance by placing Yellow Rose or later Berrengers Tues@10.

NBC's axing of Bret Maverick was puzzling, By no means a smash hit , but in light of what they had, there was some potential for growth, maybe in another timeslot. But I guess it skewed old and expensive-James Garner would not have come cheap. In 81-82 NBC relied upon on older stars-Garner, James Arness, Mickey Rooney, Tony Randall. Angie Dickinson etc. The following season they went with younger skewing shows/stars David Hasselhoff, Pierce Brosnan, Ted Danson etc On that 62nd ranking Flamingo Road deserved the chop, but it actually was doing better in the second half of the season when it moved to 9pm Tues and improved it's numbers. Again, no world beater but might have improved in Season 3. It would have been worth a try as NBC's next attempt at a soap was Bare Eseence, which bombed.

Zilch. Typical Josh storytelling.

Andre's Patty was kind of like the Keith Robertson's Ted on BTG. She came in right in the middle of a major story and just didn't present in the same way as Lillibet. To me, she just came across as kind of dull. The fragility and vulnerability of Lillibet's Patty wasn't there in Andrea's portrayal.

So what is going to air in repeat week? Wk 2? A random week or different episodes? If these repeat weeks are going to work they need better planning. Some sort of themed episodes eg Chelsea's story leading up to the kidnap, Leslie/Dana's hi jinks etc.

They need to stop with bringing in 'name' actors in the hope they will boost poor writing. The cast is full of 50 plus actors. Talk about reverse ageism.

There might have been resistance from Colgate-Palmolive, the owners of the show. They might not have been willing to invest the $$ needed for the expansion. They sold the show to NBC in 1980? or 81? By that time it was too late. Another issue is that TD would have needed a bigger studio and there might not have been anything suitable in NY.

AS THE WORLD TURNS Burke Donovan David Forsyth March - Sept 1983 raised Dusty = his deceased wife Nicole had an affair with Gunnar, thus making Dusty the true Stenbeck heir. Sara Ruth____ Bennett Ernestine Jackson 97 mother, Camille Lonette McKee 97-00 Saundra McClain 98; May 99 Kirk McColl Christian J. LeBlanc May 1983 - July 1985 Lt. Frank Andropolous...Jacques Perrault cousin of Steve, Nick married Maggie and dated her sister Lyla Dec 83-85

Yes, unfortunately the ratings are steady and the show works within the miniscule budget so nothing will change. In light of the Tristan Rogers tribute, it would have been nice had Beau Kayzer been recognised in some way after his death. Oh well, too late now.

I'm pretty sure Marland wrote the birth of Christina anticipating down the line with SORAS she would be available to replenish the Hughes family. Marland created Chris Hughes, brought in an adult Emily, wrote stories for Frannie, created Sabrina and Scott Eldridge etc all to keep the Hughes and Stewarts present on the canvas as well as creating the Snyders to pit a fresh family in the mix. Subsequent writers were pretty random about using characters from history.

That's nice that they added the Jess tribute. For a lot of viewers that might be the only way they would find out about his death. Also Jess was on the Jabot set, so I guess that means we will see Jill in GC again soon.

We are only imagining and as I stated previously, there was no need to introduce them at the same time. One of the assets of soaps is the long term association and memory of viewing-that builds loyalty. Replenishing of core families should have been a priority for TPTB along with other new characters. A balance. But instead they seem to think that new characters were the way to go. That and revolving head writers meant there were too many changes. Actually ATWT suffered less than GL or AW in that regard. But why Frannie, Andy etc never returned is a mystery. As a viewer you wondered what Kim and Bob had done to deserve children they seldom saw. The show is supposed to be about family.

I think we have to expect certain stories in a modern day soap and the kidnapping psycho is one of them. I hope they don't go to that well too often. As we've talked about , those kind of stories -the evil twin, baby swaps, back from the dead are pretty much the go to for the older soaps who have to keep coming up with something for their played out characters-Hello Josh Griffith- BTG doesn't need to go there at this point. If there's amurder, kidnapping etc every few months, it soon loses it's shock value. Hopefully they will deal with the aftermath a little bit. Not having Chelsea acting as though nothing happened 2 weeks later.