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Personally it would’ve been more fun if Sally had slept with Chance and connect her with Jill as opposed to some umpteenth Newman family drama. It’s also ridiculous that the show invested in Chelsea’s suicidal attempt but now she’s barely seen with zero repercussions.

Is Sony now having Josh Griffith secretly co-write Days with Ron? 😅😅😅

Umm I like Sally but this is ridiculously out of hand with JG: In other words a standalone episode that can be easily skipped. Similar to GL’s Inside the Light Wednesdays back in the day.

Unfortunately the last time I recall Redd’s Mamie being used was in 2003/2004 when Mamie was telling Jack to be a father to Kyle and let Diane back into the Abbott fold after Diane bailed out Jabot’s losses from some leftover money from her divorce settlement with Victor….but I don’t ever recall Mamie interacting with Devon or a young CK Lily at all. Of course Mamie served as the middle person between Olivia and Malcom by allowing Malcolm to see Nate in secret but ugh. I think writing Mamie out in 1995 was damaging to the character as even though Mamie was brought back in 1999 she literally had almost nothing to do. Leanna Love and Nina are two iconic Y&R characters that should have never written off.

Fantastic news!!! I can’t wait to see Leanna again as well, and never did I imagine we’d ever see either Gina or Mamie again on this show. I seriously hope there are additional returns in the works as well for this.

Did people actually watch Hart to Hart back then? LOL. If I recall right CBS canceled Cagney & Lacey but then later brought it back.

9 to 5 at #25 is interesting, it’s one of those forgotten sitcoms I enjoyed in syndication years later. The Rita Moreno version had two successful seasons but then after Jane Fonda departed as EP the shows new producers did a disastrous revamp and got cancelled early on in its third season. Later it came back in syndication for another three seasons with Sally Struthers as the lead actress.

Thanks as always @Paul Raven for the analysis. It’s fascinates me how viewership for Fri and Sat nights changed so much from decade to decade. I have to hone into my own parents viewing tastes sometimes. In the the 80’s a mix of going out for dinner or staying in with pizza; if we did go out we’d always be back home around for Dallas. Saturday nights were almost a guarantee night out of dinner, but we’d be back home for Golden Girls/Empty Nest. By the 90’s save for when The X-Files aired on Friday nights my parents could care less about trying beat a crowd lol.

What was Riptide about anyways? I vaguely recall a robot being involved in the action but it’s been ages. I always see it doing well 1983-85 but then it appears NBC squandered the whole show it’s final season. At least Joe Penny later had success with Jake and the Fatman. All the five primetime soaps had good seasons IMO for 1983-84 season in both writing and in ratings of course. Hotel was better when Anne Baxter was alive although being the soap opera version of the Love Boat didn’t help the show’s cause overall. Any thoughts as to why Saturday night soaps didn’t work? Dallas had a rather dismal 78-79 season before moving, both Secrets of Midland Heights and King’s Crossing flopped, and Berrenger’s floundered, and Hotel was killed off. I know in the 90’s though Sisters had success though. Just not enough available audience to stay home every Saturday night as opposed to Wed-Fri nights?

The times I have listed are: Oct 81-Nov 81 Thu 8:00-8:30 Dec 81-Jan 82 Sat 8:00-8:30 Jan 82-Feb 82 Sat 8:30-9:00 Apr 82-Jun 82 Sat 8:00-8:30 Jul 82-Aug 82 Sat 8:30-9:00 The show had initial success for NBC during its first season and came back for its second but as the show dropped the PTA name and changed the focus as the second season went on the show plummeted not long afterward.

LOL!!! Sadly some nincompoop at CBS completely wasted a Y&R/ATWT crossover event on that pornography story solely featuring Amber, Emily and Alison. 🤢🤢

Watched today’s Valentine Day episode: -Watching Victor and Nikki in love with Victor showering Nikki with new fancy necklace felt like old school Y&R. The flashbacks were charming as well. -The Daniel and Lily scenes were nice and the flashbacks to 2005 were good, but was a bit puzzled by the 2011 flashback (Daniel finding out Lucy is his daughter while talking to a still in mourning and being gaslighted Lily) being used as “troubled times” for the pair. Then again at least they saved us from Latham’s porn addiction flashbacks. -Sally’s WTD story is unnecessary, but I liked Sharon and Sally connecting along with Nick and Victoria’s “older & wiser” scenes. It’s a nice change of pace although the mention of Sage Warner’s name was completely unnecessary as well.

Thank I always thought that avalanche story was a complete renewal for Bo and Hope, something I don’t think JER & CO anticipated success at all so he had no idea what to do other than try to throw up a lot obnoxious obstacles (Billie 2.0, Jill Stevens, Franko, drugs etc). The last piece of egg on JER’s face was when Hope assisted Chelsea put up Zack’s ornament on the Christmas tree, I had heard JER later felt he went too far with Zack’s death but time wasn’t on JER’s side at all. The MM Belle/Sami relationship 2005-2008 was actually nice to have because both sisters were written to resent Carrie lol and MM Belle considered Sami to be a good confident and vice versa. I still hate that EM Brady’s surrogate big bro to Sami got lost after 2011.

If I had to rank my favorite JER Days stories it would be: 1. Maison Blanche 2. Carly buried alive 3. Aremid 4. The Secret Room 5. Grand Theft Embryo 6. Bo/Hope Avalanche(I never see anyone talk about this lol.) 7. Austin/Carrie/Lucas/Sami I did like the initial first few months of the Possession when it was gothic and creepy but by April 1995 it completely lost that feel. Entertaining though. Had the same feelings about Paris. LOL. I think the most memorable moment in that “cabin” I remember was a rare Kate/Marlena confrontation in the aftermath of EJ’s shooting when Kate was the prime suspect but Marlena was a suspect too and Kate tore both Roman and Marlena a new one over unfair/preferential treatment , leaving Marlena to allow Roman to handcuff her for questioning down at the station. But yeah Langan and Brash/Cwikly had made John & Sami cordial but then Reilly reset her to 1993 lol. Milstein and then Sheffer fixed their relationship and of course Sami named Johnny after him lol but when McPherson/Thomas took over Sami hated him again. In fact the last couple times Sami has returned I kind of hated how Sami’s pretty much considered fallen out of favor with her family specially with Brady and Belle because of their past closeness.

LOL. In response to your earlier comments that last time I remember the actual penthouse set being used was in 2005 when a 58 year old pregnant Marlena fell down the spiral staircase and miscarried. After that I think only the bedroom set got used and there was some type of fan uproar because on a new bed spread (seriously!!). After John “died” in 2007 Marlena sold the penthouse and moved into some type of “cabin” on the riverfront with a screen door. After John was revealed to be alive and was also allegedly a DiMera they moved into the DiMera mansion, or at least John did. I still remember that huge Marlena portrait he hung up. That was a indeed a dumb storyline and coupled with Sami reverting again to hating John and then sleeping with EJ, I called it quits with that ridiculous “reboot” in 2011 for a couple years there.

And at this point the only “shocking announcement” I would accept to shake up the show would be an alive and well Dru revealing herself. Not likely at all lol and I’m quite sure JG would screw it up by making it boring. Take today’s episode. Sure we had a fun moment where Daniel fired Phyllis, the whole Jack/Kyle betrayal fight could have been at least had a bit more tension, but instead it felt so lifeless as the air was sucked out with Adam’s “Hey guys please stop fighting I really didn’t want to work at Jabot anyways”. 25 years ago on Y&R I knew the whole Veronica Landers as Sarah the clumsy maid was bad hokey soap yet I was at least highly entertained by it. Here we are 25 years later there’s barely any soap happening and it’s probably the most boring thing on daytime since Jean Holloway’s 1979 failed tenure at Love of Life. Just sad.

I don’t think CBS necessarily had ill-intent I 1992, just made a major (and stupid) miscalculation/grave error in judgement in that viewers would follow en masse if they built it. They didn’t. Not to mention DW and Major Dad’s Monday night replacements flopped as well (didn’t Susan Dey get fired and recast on her own sitcom vehicle?). The only survivor of the new line-up was Picket Fences, which for some reason CBS never moved and later killed it off by moving it up an hour to directly compete with X-Files. Of course the CBS programmers didn’t learn their lesson five years later at all.

@Paul RavenThe PrimeTime Encyclopedia discusses this: ”The critics loved Designing Women, and so did its loyal audience. They howled when CBS moved the show all over the schedule following its initial ratings success on Monday nights, and then canceled it in the spring of 1987. Viewer protests (encouraged by the network’s own publicity team) prompted programmers to reconsider, and Designing Women was saved from the Nielsen axe. Once it became firmly entrenched on Monday evenings that fall, Designing Women flourished as part of a strong CBS Monday comedy lineup.” The show would remain on Mondays until 1992, when CBS moved it along with Major Dad to build a disastrous Friday night comedy lineup (sound familiar?) with The Golden Palace and a new Bob Newhart sitcom.

Top 50 Shows for the week of 9/30/1996-10/06/1996, not including Baseball Playoffs that pre-empted both NBC and Fox's programs that week or Presidential Debates. 1. ER (NBC/Thur) 22.2 2. Seinfeld (NBC/Thur) 21.8 3. Monday Night Football (ABC/Mon) 19.7 4. Suddenly Susan (NBC/Thur) 18.5 5. Home Improvement (ABC/Tue) 18.4 6. Friends (NBC/Thur) 17.3 7. Spin City (ABC/Tue) 15.8 8. Single Guy (NBC/Thur) 15.4 9. CMA Awards SPECIAL (CBS/Wed) 14.9 10. Murphy Brown (CBS/Mon) 13.2 10. Walker Texas Ranger (CBS/Sat) 13.2 10. The X-Files (FOX/Fri) 13.2 13. 20/20 (ABC/Fri) 13.1 14. Cybill (CBS/Mon) 12.9 15. Roseanne (ABC/Tue) 12.8 16. CBS Tuesday Movie (CBS/Tue) 12.7 17. Life's Work (ABC/Tue) 12.5 18. Cosby (CBS/Mon) 12.4 18. 60 Minutes (CBS/Sun) 12.4 20. Pearl (CBS/Mon) 12.3 21. Touched by an Angel (CBS/Sun) 12.2 22. 3rd Rock From the Sun (NBC/Sun) 12.1 23. Early Edition (CBS/Sat) 11.9 24. Chicago Hope (CBS/Mon) 11.7 25. Drew Carey (ABC/Wed) 11.5 25. NBC Monday Night Movie (NBC/Mon) 11.5 27. Grace Under Fire (ABC/Wed) 10.7 27. Law & Order (NBC/Wed) 10.7 29. Primetime Live (ABC/Wed) 10.5 30. Boston Common (NBC/Sun) 10.2 32. Promised Land (CBS/Tue) 9.8 33. Nash Bridges (CBS/Fri) 9.7 34. Sabrina The Teenage Witch (ABC/Fri) 9.6 35. Ellen (ABC/Wed) 9.5 35. Family Matters (ABC/Fri) 9.5 37. Lois & Clark (ABC/Sun) 9.4 37. Diagnosis Murder (CBS/Thur) 9.4 39. Doctor Quinn Medicine Woman (CBS/Sat) 9.1 40. Townies (ABC/Wed) 9.0 41. Moloney (CBS/Thur) 8.8 42. Clueless (ABC/Fri) 8.5 43. 48 Hours (CBS/Thur) 8.3 43. Melrose Place (Fox/Mon) 8.3 43. Men Behaving Badly (NBC/Wed) 8.3 43. Wings (NBC/Wed) 8.3 43. Relativity (ABC/Tue) 8.3 48. Dangerous Minds (ABC/Mon) 8.2 49. Boy Meets World (ABC/Fri) 8.1 50. ABC Thursday Night Movie (ABC/Thur) 7.8

I loved Scarecrow and Mrs. King but I also recall some of Season 4’s woes were also affected by Kate Jackson’s illness at the time. The move from Mondays to Fridays had hurt the show enough (dropped from #28 to #41) but Jackson’s absence in the last 5 episodes was the final nail. The show really should have ended with the episode where Scarecrow and Amanda married earlier. @kalbirLOL I forgot Simon & Simon ran that long…too long. I vaguely recall my grandma stopped watching after Downtown was written out and said something about it when the show was being reran on A&E.

This show has pretty much become the Leo/Gwen hour (or half hour depending on the day lol) 🤢🤢🤢

Catching up this week LOL the cliffhanger the other day of Brooke thinking Taylor had OD’d and died was over the top ridiculous. Anyways, where exactly is this story about the two of them moving into together going exactly? Could care less about Thomas’ custody problems round 12. Zzzzzzz…….

1987 was pretty much a last hurrah for the cliffhangers of the CBS primetime soaps getting high rankings, with the loss of Ewing Oil and Pam’s collision with a oil tanker on Dallas, Peter Hollister’s dead body buried under a playground on Knots, and of almost all of the characters in were in some form of peril on FC (Emma about to jump, Chao-Li having a heart attack, a mass drowning etc) 1986: Dallas and those two hour season premieres lol. I imagine the intrigue over Duffy’s return brought a lot of hype and interest, but the silly dream resolution and some sloppy writing of course cost the show in the long run. Linda Ellerbee deserved better than to host a newsmagazine directly competing with Cosby & Family Ties. Later ABC also stupidly moved their moderately successful (and fun) The Charmings to compete directly against Cosby (there was even a commercial I recall where the Evil Queen cast a spell for the show to be doomed against Cosby LMAO), effectively killing the show.

Thanks makes sense now!

I guess Knots wasn’t on that week, wonder why or what aired. Interesting to see Dallas sustained at #12 two weeks in a row but Falcon Crest dropped from #18 to #29, I think this was around when William R. Moses left the show. Simon & Simon was really truly floundering. I had looked up to see what was historical about it and only found the infamous death of Budd Dwyer so thanks for clarifying lol! Interesting to see the Tortelli’s started huge behind Cheers but once it moved to Wednesdays it flopped. How was the show? I remember Dan Hedaya was hoot on Cheers as Nick but I can’t imagine the character getting his own spin-off.