19 minutes ago, Vee said:

The shows aren't the issue there, it's the platform (Paramount) which has had to repeatedly sell them or the past classic series off to other outlets for cash and is probably going to go down soon and be subsumed into Netflix or something else. The animated all-ages Trek spinoff, Prodigy, has already been ported to Netflix and renewed there. This from Paramount, which proclaimed itself 'the home of Trek' a year or so ago because it makes them their big money - just not enough to stay afloat. That's the streaming crash. I think Trek as a renewed franchise will survive elsewhere, but I don't think Paramount will.

I actually laughed when I saw that both Showtime cable and Showtime streaming had been rebranded as "Paramount + with Showtime."  What a cumbersome ass name, I thought, for an outlet that probably will have to rebrand itself again if/when Paramount + goes under.

It wouldn't surprise me, if down the line, Paramount + and Showtime are subsumed into Pluto, lol.

It's not a question of quality, though, as far as the Star Trek-related series go.  What I am suggesting is that, sooner or later, there will come a point when people will have reached their saturation point with all the related franchises on streaming, regardless of individual quality.  Same holds true for Marvel, for Star Wars, for Game of Thrones, for Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings, etc.

Edited December 19, 20232 yr by Khan

11 minutes ago, Khan said:

It's not a question of quality, though, as far as the Star Trek-related series go.  What I am suggesting is that, sooner or later, there will come a point when people will have reached their saturation point with all the related franchises on streaming, regardless of individual quality.  Same holds true for Marvel, for Star Wars, for Game of Thrones, for Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings, etc.

I agree. Fortunately I don't think Trek is anywhere near as oversaturated as Marvel or SW. One show is ending and that will leave only one live-action show, for now.

7 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Yes, for years now, I have been preaching the gospel of FAST and there are many of these platforms out there now, with Pluto TV being one of the most successful and Roku Channel being one of the latest to be successful enough to run independently of the actual device where it get its name. Apparently Tubi is venturing into original documentaries, so it’s not just reruns of classic shows (although I really enjoy that also). I think advertisers are growing increasingly enthusiastic about FAST. I am still consistently receiving reports about its potential in my inbox.

TUBI also just added a lot of Warner Bros/DC properties so that will help it grow even more as well

It’s just too bad Procter and Gamble was too foolish to see that they could hop on a FAST platform and their archive alone on its own strength could like help sell product. Hell, if it were me, I’d hire former soap stars to do ads for today’s products (who wouldn’t love to see Linda Dano pushing Zevo, lol? Or Amelia Marshall in a “My Black Is Beautiful” ad?) Procter & Gamble used to be brilliant at this sort of thing, future and past stars on their shows would often appear in ads for their products that would run during the airing of their soaps. I should have realized that when they stopped doing this, the demise of the industry wasn’t far behind.

But yeah, even before the TOLN soaps, others made me aware P&G had collaborated with AOL in streaming their episodes (I was no longer watching soaps that closely at that time so I missed the AOL period) and even after the cancellation of GL and ATWT, P&G allowed an independent company (Soap Classics) license to package DVDs of classic episodes as well as stream classic episodes on a streaming platform that ran in two countries, which I remember and was sad that they didn’t extend the license to the Soap Classics people. P&G, as is often the case, were actually the first but they gave up on the value of their soaps too quickly.

Speaking on the sheer breadth of intellectual property alone, P&G could have had a streaming channel of their own, if they had the ambition, it could have been a platform.

Edited December 19, 20232 yr by DramatistDreamer

On 12/17/2023 at 6:47 PM, Errol said:

It needs not to be a primetime show. It'll die quickly that way.

Either it goes back to ABC in a traditional slot with 250 episodes or it goes to streaming ala Days of our Lives on Peacock. Anything else and it won't be worth it.

Everything is so muddled now between broadcast, cable, daytime/primetime, and streaming. I don't think the platform really matters.

Several shows have jumped around between all. Yellowstone, Only Murders in the Building, Star Trek .. etc.

If it creates buzz and is well done, it will be successful. 

Edited December 21, 20232 yr by Wilsoky

On 12/19/2023 at 10:45 AM, DramatistDreamer said:

It’s just too bad Procter and Gamble was too foolish to see that they could hop on a FAST platform and their archive alone on its own strength could like help sell product. Hell, if it were me, I’d hire former soap stars to do ads for today’s products (who wouldn’t love to see Linda Dano pushing Zevo, lol? Or Amelia Marshall in a “My Black Is Beautiful” ad?) Procter & Gamble used to be brilliant at this sort of thing, future and past stars on their shows would often appear in ads for their products that would run during the airing of their soaps. I should have realized that when they stopped doing this, the demise of the industry wasn’t far behind.

But yeah, even before the TOLN soaps, others made me aware P&G had collaborated with AOL in streaming their episodes (I was no longer watching soaps that closely at that time so I missed the AOL period) and even after the cancellation of GL and ATWT, P&G allowed an independent company (Soap Classics) license to package DVDs of classic episodes as well as stream classic episodes on a streaming platform that ran in two countries, which I remember and was sad that they didn’t extend the license to the Soap Classics people. P&G, as is often the case, were actually the first but they gave up on the value of their soaps too quickly.

Speaking on the sheer breadth of intellectual property alone, P&G could have had a streaming channel of their own, if they had the ambition, it could have been a platform.

Everything you said! THIS IS TRUE.