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1 hour ago, EricMontreal22 said:

At least with the longer clips, why not say where the clip is from?

I was comparing this to the CNN decade documentaries, but those were so much more professionally done, with appropriate budgets. They labeled most of their longer clips. Yet they didn’t have these elaborate sets and graphics mimicking slides from a carousel projector, which, again, were eye-catching (and maybe more accessible to a network primetime audience not used to a stark documentary style), but I’d gladly have sacrificed those for better clips.
 

And you are SO right about the hypocrisy of these networks going after unauthorized uploaders of clips yet using said clips to cut costs in their programming, claiming “fair use.“

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For what it was, it was really good. I had a feeling we weren’t going to get the complete story, because it’s impossible to squeeze 90 years into two hours, with commercials. (I just realized that Bill Bell wasn’t mentioned at all) 

 

For me, it started to fall apart in the last half hour. It sort of became The Story of the Real World and the Real Housewives. I’m sorry but we didn’t need to hear about Pedro. I would have liked to have seen more about what soaps did at this time to try to lure fans back. 

 

But overall, I really liked it. And I’m glad that there are actors out that there like John Stamos and Bryan Cranston who realize what soaps are. I hope the documentary prompts people to tune back to the remaining four soaps.

6 hours ago, antmunoz said:


Farley Granger as Will Vernon. 

Thanks!

2 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

I did not get to see the special. What did Slezak say about Granger?

She said during his time on the show, he became so overwhelmed with the amount of work that he went to the producers and pleaded with them to let him go

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11 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

For what it was, it was really good. I had a feeling we weren’t going to get the complete story, because it’s impossible to squeeze 90 years into two hours, with commercials. (I just realized that Bill Bell wasn’t mentioned at all) 

 

For me, it started to fall apart in the last half hour. It sort of became The Story of the Real World and the Real Housewives. I’m sorry but we didn’t need to hear about Pedro. I would have liked to have seen more about what soaps did at this time to try to lure fans back. 

 

But overall, I really liked it. And I’m glad that there are actors out that there like John Stamos and Bryan Cranston who realize what soaps are. I hope the documentary prompts people to tune back to the remaining four soaps.

Thanks!

She said during his time on the show, he became so overwhelmed with the amount of work that he went to the producers and pleaded with them to let him go

They really should have mentioned that Bill Bell was essentially the other one of Irna Phillips' proteges.  But, I guess the problem was they spoke about Irna and Agnes in the section about how it was groundbreaking for being so overwhelmingly by women creators.  (And I still think they could have at least listed all the shows those women created/worked on).

Agreed about when it really fell apart--I linked to the Vulture interview with the producer, above, and that part must have been left over from her desire to do something about reality tv and she just couldn't drop it.  It was clever juxtaposing it with the GH AIDS story scenes, although I'm not sure ultimately if that was needed.

I like John Hamm, and I liked his comments, but he was the one actor I really had no idea why he was there...

18 minutes ago, Faulkner said:

I was comparing this to the CNN decade documentaries, but those were so much more professionally done, with appropriate budgets. They labeled most of their longer clips. Yet they didn’t have these elaborate sets and graphics mimicking slides from a carousel projector, which, again, were eye-catching (and maybe more accessible to a network primetime audience not used to a stark documentary style), but I’d gladly have sacrificed those for better clips.
 

And you are SO right about the hypocrisy of these networks going after unauthorized uploaders of clips yet using said clips to cut costs in their programming, claiming “fair use.“

Yes.  Seriously, if they are pulling from Youtube, in most cases the soap episode original broadcast dates *are* listed.  Would it have been hard to just put a little label with the name of the show and the year?  I was reminded of how annoyed my mom gets with internet FB and blog posts where someone posts photos and never identifies them :P I mean sure most of us could probably roughly place nearly all of the clips, but...

And yeah--the whole Youtube thing from that perspective has been a mess for a while now.  I've seen network news, etc, use YT clips (say for when an actor dies, or whatever) for nearly ten years now with no concern of copyright--and yet when it benefits them to remember they own the copyright...

(Also, I'm sorry, *someone* should have pointed out that Peyton Place was, briefly, something of a phenomenon and helped boost newbie ABC, when they called Dallas the very first primetime soap... :P )

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16 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

 

She said during his time on the show, he became so overwhelmed with the amount of work that he went to the producers and pleaded with them to let him go

 

Thank you.

 

Those of us who were watching the show in the 1970s knew that poor Granger had a lot of trouble with his lines. He kept stumbling over his dialogue, "going up," and (obviously) reading from the teleprompter. What's weird is that he was much better with his material on ATWT.

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9 minutes ago, EricMontreal22 said:

They really should have mentioned that Bill Bell was essentially the other one of Irna Phillips' proteges.  But, I guess the problem was they spoke about Irna and Agnes in the section about how it was groundbreaking for being so overwhelmingly by women creators.  (And I still think they could have at least listed all the shows those women created/worked on).

Agreed about when it really fell apart--I linked to the Vulture interview with the producer, above, and that part must have been left over from her desire to do something about reality tv and she just couldn't drop it.  It was clever juxtaposing it with the GH AIDS story scenes, although I'm not sure ultimately if that was needed.

I like John Hamm, and I liked his comments, but he was the one actor I really had no idea why he was there...

Exactly. Thanks for posting the article too!

 

They talked about sex on soaps. Bill Bell is the reason why there’s sex on soaps. They just needed more than two hours to tell the full story.

 

And as for Jon Hamm, that’s ok lol I really had no idea why Andy Cohen was there. It got to the point where every time he came on the screen, I turned back to read the comments on here

 

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I was curious if Jon Hamm had any daytime credits (as a jobbing actor who had been kicking around the industry before his Don Draper break, it wouldn’t have surprised me). But I can’t find any. I thought he might have been there to bolster the idea that even a “prestige” drama series like Mad Men was basically a soap, but they didn’t make anything of it. Maybe he was friends with one of the producers? He seems up for anything. Who knows.

 

I chalked a lot of the Agnes Nixon focus and Bill Bell erasure to the fact that she was ABC. Plus, thematically, she followed the “shows for women, by women” theme.

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You guys are giving Andy Cohen a lot of grief!  LOL

 

I like to think he was there because he’s a huge soaps fan. 
 

When he has former soap actors on his talk show, he always shows old clips and asks about their soap experience, in s good way. 
 

In his autobiography, he goes on and on about his love for soaps (mostly AMC) and Lucci. His housekeeper when he was a kid only watched CBS soaps and that annoyed him. LOL. (We all know that person who watched ANOTHER NETWORK.)

 

Cut the guy some slack. I bet he misses soaps too. 

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1 hour ago, Faulkner said:

I was curious if Jon Hamm had any daytime credits (as a jobbing actor who had been kicking around the industry before his Don Draper break, it wouldn’t have surprised me). But I can’t find any. I thought he might have been there to bolster the idea that even a “prestige” drama series like Mad Men was basically a soap, but they didn’t make anything of it. Maybe he was friends with one of the producers? He seems up for anything. Who knows.

 

I chalked a lot of the Agnes Nixon focus and Bill Bell erasure to the fact that she was ABC. Plus, thematically, she followed the “shows for women, by women” theme.

 

An odd thing to focus on while failing to mention that not a single soap currently on the air has a woman HW or EP. 

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I think another problem with this is that it is called “The Story of Soaps,” but it wasn’t told as a complete story. You can’t tell “The Story of Soaps” adequately without discussing Bill Bell and his philosophy in developing Y&R. If it’s not going to be the whole “story of soaps,” don’t call it that. Call it “Inside the Soaps” or something like that.

 

Not a huge glaring omission at all, but I’m surprised they didn’t have a piece on international soaps and telenovelas. I would have loved to have seen some grainy clips of Coronation Street from 2017.

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9 hours ago, amybrickwallace said:

Sounds like I didn't miss much!!

 

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53 minutes ago, antmunoz said:

You guys are giving Andy Cohen a lot of grief!  LOL

 

I like to think he was there because he’s a huge soaps fan. 
 

When he has former soap actors on his talk show, he always shows old clips and asks about their soap experience, in s good way. 
 

In his autobiography, he goes on and on about his love for soaps (mostly AMC) and Lucci. His housekeeper when he was a kid only watched CBS soaps and that annoyed him. LOL. (We all know that person who watched ANOTHER NETWORK.)

 

Cut the guy some slack. I bet he misses soaps too. 

 

Andy was asked questions, and he answered.  Folks need to direct their anger at ABC for putting that crap together.  How you gone have a clusterfvck like GH on the air and celebrate the story/history of soaps?  

 

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My dislike for Andy Cohen isn't based on this show - he's just an unpleasant and unlikeable person who profits off the exploitation of mentally ill women - but to me if you love soaps that much, you wouldn't work so hard to tell us that your product has now made them irrelevant. 

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This was discussed in the ATWT thread with Hillary Bailey Smith podcast how she and Robert Calhoun had chosen Bryan Cranston to replace Gregg Marx as Tom Hughes after he left. After seeing him on the Living clip he would've made the perfect Tom. Instead after they went with Bryan they saw Scott Holmes in NY and went with him.

 

Who did Bryan play on Loving and for how long?

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