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2 minutes ago, Huntress said:

This situation is similar to what the German soap "Unter uns" faced in the summer of 2009. Back then, the show suffered from low demos and was rumoured to be canceled.
Instead, broadcaster RTL slashed the budget, fired a few cast members, and decided that production would shut down twice each year for roughly 4 months (December to February and June to August) to save costs. From then on, they filmed 7 to 8 episodes a week so that the show could still run through the whole year.

 

Before each hiatus, all the cast members were released from their contracts and had to register as unemployed (in Germany, you receive ~ 60 percent of your former salary for at least a year if you're registered as unemployed). Departing cast members were usually written out before a hiatus, so that most of the cast returned when filming resumed. In the meantime, they could pursue any other project they wanted to (doing primetime guest spots, playing theater, etc.)

 

In 2016, they reduced the hiatus to 2 months in total and went back to filming 6 episodes a week.

 

10 years later and UU is still on the air. This year, they've managed to increase their demos quite nicely.

 

So not all hope is lost ;)

Nbc probably still wants the show to be on. So i thihk its safe for this year.

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On 11/12/2019 at 11:20 AM, ChitHappens said:

 

Not me!  Days can go and take the other 3 piles of rotgut with it!  Behind the times oppressive trash.  Bye bye!  

Sorry... but TV shows don't oppress people.

15 hours ago, Wendy said:

Eventually, though, and I hate being Debbie Downer here, the ratings will no longer justify the financial costs for keeping these soaps on broadcast TV. We can complain that Nielsen is outdated, but it is still the barometer, and the numbers keep playing the limbo dance game with "how low can you go?!" Eventually, they will be gone, and if NBC. CBS, and ABC have no replacements for those hours, I can see the local affiliates getting the afternoon slots to schedule as they will.

 

After this, I want to say these soaps will end up streaming. At the very least, B&B seems to have the international revenue to help it, but even streaming takes money. So in reality, I'm not sure how much time the US daytime dramas have left.

 

Nighttime shows have become serialized in many cases now. From sitcoms to dramas. And it seems like - for some - they don't need daytime soaps to fill that void anymore because of it.

That is very true. Ratings across the board are just tanking. The entire television landscape is so diluted, they have done this to themselves. I think the cutting the cord trend is the only thing that has been helping network TV from going down even further. If you remember how the Roseanne reboot premiere was ballyhooed as this HUGE triumph, when during her original run, she pulled those same numbers every week, and so did virtually any show in the Nielsen top 20. 

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15 hours ago, Wendy said:

Nighttime shows have become serialized in many cases now. From sitcoms to dramas. And it seems like - for some - they don't need daytime soaps to fill that void anymore because of it.

 

I totally agree.

 

During the 1980s, when science-fiction/fantasy storytelling started to infect and decimate the soaps, I was aghast because I gravitate towards well-written, well-acted continuing dramas about family dynamics and interpersonal relationships. Fortunately, primetime TV has stepped up to the plate, and has been producing many fine, adult dramas for serial fans to enjoy. I have series like This Is Us, New Amsterdam and A Million Little Things; I no longer have to cringe through the horrifically stupid sci-fi camp being dished out on my once-beloved daytime soaps.

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On 11/13/2019 at 4:15 PM, Wendy said:

Eventually, though, and I hate being Debbie Downer here, the ratings will no longer justify the financial costs for keeping these soaps on broadcast TV. We can complain that Nielsen is outdated, but it is still the barometer, and the numbers keep playing the limbo dance game with "how low can you go?!" Eventually, they will be gone, and if NBC. CBS, and ABC have no replacements for those hours, I can see the local affiliates getting the afternoon slots to schedule as they will.

 

After this, I want to say these soaps will end up streaming. At the very least, B&B seems to have the international revenue to help it, but even streaming takes money. So in reality, I'm not sure how much time the US daytime dramas have left.

 

Nighttime shows have become serialized in many cases now. From sitcoms to dramas. And it seems like - for some - they don't need daytime soaps to fill that void anymore because of it.

 

For ABC at least, this is no longer true. ABC recently announced they won't be using Neilsen ratings in the way they previously did. They're looking at Live, plus 3 and up to 7 day viewing, plus streaming and will now determine ratings and success for their shows based on a 30 day period of viewership. They're finding that many of their biggest hits have okay live viewing, but the 30 day window tells a full story. I feel the same is true for soaps as well. We may be thinking they're doing horribly, but we don't know how they're doing in streaming terms. With DAYS in particular, the NBC app allows you to view several months and it is full of advertisements so if they get good viewership from that then it's another form of revenue for the show. I feel the overall ratings picture for DAYS is probably better than we think which is why NBC keeps it around. Even if it doesn't always last on the network I could see them putting a form of it on Peacock.

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I think it is interesting, in light of the ratings and new ways of counting audience numbers, that the story about the cast being fired is still the most read story on TMZ and TVinsider days after the story was released.

 

TVinsider's soap stories always are the most read on the site.  

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16 hours ago, DaytimeFan said:

I want Lauren Koslow to do an arc as Margo on B&B during this hiatus...3 months, cause some havoc for Bill. Maybe seduce him? Or Eric. Slap Brooke? She is one of the few cast members who has an available character on the remaining shows.

THIS.

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On 11/14/2019 at 9:18 AM, vetsoapfan said:

 

I totally agree.

 

During the 1980s, when science-fiction/fantasy storytelling started to infect and decimate the soaps, I was aghast because I gravitate towards well-written, well-acted continuing dramas about family dynamics and interpersonal relationships. Fortunately, primetime TV has stepped up to the plate, and has been producing many fine, adult dramas for serial fans to enjoy. I have series like This Is Us, New Amsterdam and A Million Little Things; I no longer have to cringe through the horrifically stupid sci-fi camp being dished out on my once-beloved daytime soaps.

Now that prime time is doing serialization better than daytime, the only reason for soaps staying on the air is familiarity with the charachters and obligation. The fact that Marlena's story has been going on for 40+ years means ive invested too much time to give up watching her. 

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18 hours ago, j swift said:

I think it is interesting, in light of the ratings and new ways of counting audience numbers, that the story about the cast being fired is still the most read story on TMZ and TVinsider days after the story was released.

 

TVinsider's soap stories always are the most read on the site.  

 

People talk about ratings negatively only when it relates to soaps. All four soaps have better ratings and more loyal audiences than pretty much everything on the CW and pretty much every cable network. If the networks stopped treating them like it was a time filler and invested in promoting these shows (and gave them a budget) they'd benefit. Also the lack of streaming support for them with their libraries is insane, even if you just focus on what is on the air. For ABC, they own their soaps so why not throw them on Hulu or Disney Plus?

 

That's free money and easy to do. It'll also be curious when Peacock launches if they put soaps on their platform. DAYS has a big online following so one would imagine classic episodes would be a given there. ALso when you consider the lawsuit with Sony was about *not* streaming DAYS I could see them pushing for it. Passions and Sunset Beach are also easy soaps they could dump on there.

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2 hours ago, Chris B said:

 Passions and Sunset Beach are also easy soaps they could dump on there.

 

Not entirely related, but CBS All Access would be more likely to stream Sunset Beach considering CBS Studios own the Spelling vault. I assume though that the issue with a lot of the shows are music rights.

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5 hours ago, Chris B said:

 

People talk about ratings negatively only when it relates to soaps. All four soaps have better ratings and more loyal audiences than pretty much everything on the CW and pretty much every cable network. If the networks stopped treating them like it was a time filler and invested in promoting these shows (and gave them a budget) they'd benefit. Also the lack of streaming support for them with their libraries is insane, even if you just focus on what is on the air. For ABC, they own their soaps so why not throw them on Hulu or Disney Plus?

 

That's free money and easy to do. It'll also be curious when Peacock launches if they put soaps on their platform. DAYS has a big online following so one would imagine classic episodes would be a given there. ALso when you consider the lawsuit with Sony was about *not* streaming DAYS I could see them pushing for it. Passions and Sunset Beach are also easy soaps they could dump on there.

It’s not free money.

 

Even if they go the easiest route and just throw them up there (like Hulu did with Designing Women- not remastered at all, syndication opening etc), that still costs money to convert all those old shows before streaming was an option.

 

Plus there is the issue with classic soaps and music clearances.  And the talent.  They have to pay everyone again (actors, writers, directors etc depending on their contracts), and if they somehow don’t, their unions will make sure they get compensation in another contract negotiation.

 

That is all a labor of love for a product that we would buy, but how far beyond us would that go?  And how many of us would pay for it?  Just because I would be willing to watch GH from Monty’s arrival (before that lots of episodes are just lost) and pay for it (maybe even a monthly subscription up to $20,) doesn’t mean other people would or have the means.

 

At least shows like DAYS and Y&R have every episode saved.  ABC soaps are not so lucky.  I’m sure there are huge eras of vintage GL and ATWT that are gone too.

 

I wish they would stream old stuff too, but we as an audience (because of the crappy product they make now) are diminishing returns.

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43 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

It’s not free money.

 

Even if they go the easiest route and just throw them up there (like Hulu did with Designing Women- not remastered at all, syndication opening etc), that still costs money to convert all those old shows before streaming was an option.

 

Plus there is the issue with classic soaps and music clearances.  And the talent.  They have to pay everyone again (actors, writers, directors etc depending on their contracts), and if they somehow don’t, their unions will make sure they get compensation in another contract negotiation.

 

That is all a labor of love for a product that we would buy, but how far beyond us would that go?  And how many of us would pay for it?  Just because I would be willing to watch GH from Monty’s arrival (before that lots of episodes are just lost) and pay for it (maybe even a monthly subscription up to $20,) doesn’t mean other people would or have the means.

 

At least shows like DAYS and Y&R have every episode saved.  ABC soaps are not so lucky.  I’m sure there are huge eras of vintage GL and ATWT that are gone too.

 

I wish they would stream old stuff too, but we as an audience (because of the crappy product they make now) are diminishing returns.

 

You're right on everything, but where there is a will, there's a way. The DAYS app doesn't exist for nothing. It will probably happen at some point.

 

But yeah it's not as easy as some folks think.

 

Though P&G soaps were streaming old episodes on AOL, what over ten years ago at this point? Where there's a will, there's a way. But I can see why it's not something they're jumping at doing.

 

I'd be fine if they uploaded to YouTube and called it a day (or left those who do alone)

 

They ARE missing out. Even stupid Corday knows the audience is there for it. It's just not as easy as some think. And I don't see the incentive for them to do it, unfortunately.

 

But I also agree with those who say the soaps have a more loyal and higher audience than the CW shows and other shows. A real budget would make a world of difference and letting fans see the old years, easily, would also help tremendously.

 

Soaps do well streaming. But some fans don't like hearing that.

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