25 minutes ago, Faulkner said:

This. Just letting them tread water until the inevitable drowning.

 

Yeah, and when they are comfortable enough to replace, bye bye.  I think GH is seriously the next to go.  Strahan's new show as well as Tamron's?  There's no way you do no new eppies for almost a whole week if you are not testing to see if viewers bother to return.  ABCd decided to capitalize off of the labor day weekend to extend the break.  

We’ll probably see all of these shows off the traditional airwaves in the next 2-3 years. Who knows if they’ll find homes online? Could happen.

47 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

When I look at the present state of Y&R now, it has many of the hallmarks of soaps that went on to cancellation in less than five years.  I'm not saying I'm right, IJS...

 

One big red flag is a bunch of new characters in a short amount of time.  And let's not use Bill Bell, the show's creator as a counter example because he was methodical compared to what is happening now and the show, in general didn't suffer in the short term because of his new castmembers because the writing was still compelling from what we've seen of classic episodes. 

Namely, Bell didn't create new characters/families as a last-ditch effort to 'save' the show as what's clearly happening now.

 

ATWT, for example exhibited these signs a few years before it was canceled and the show's degradation took place over a decade, not in one year.  

I won't post about this again because I get the distinct feeling it may be upsetting to a few posters who still watch the show.

 

It's ok. It is upsetting in the sense that I hate the idea of soaps disappearing... but it is also very clear in which direction they (minus Days at the moment) are going. It stands out with Y&R because once upon a time, the show was #1, the gold standard, at the top of a high pile, and now it has fallen to wretchedly low levels.

 

I know the rapid decline began with Lynn Marie Latham (and her firing anybody of importance who had worked there decades) and Maria Arena Bell, but it seems to me that when the Bell family were forced to hand over complete control to CBS/Sony, and CBS/Sony hired Jill Farren Phelps to gut the show, the die was well and truly cast.

 

Seems like TPTB decided to pull off the parts of a beautiful, but broke-down, Rolls Royce and sell them for scrap. They were all in on the secret of letting this show die a slow death, but we weren't. Until now.

Edited August 30, 20187 yr by Cat

1 hour ago, Soapsuds said:

They have stopped caring. When they kept hiring new HWs there was hope but when they start recycling hacks ......you know it's over!

 

That ... and the talented writers know better than to take the job. So it's no wonder they reuse and recycle!

 

Maybe we are just better off remembering how these shows were  

3 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

 

That ... and the talented writers know better than to take the job. So it's no wonder they reuse and recycle!

 

Maybe we are just better off remembering how these shows were  

 

Bingo!  I no longer fight it.  Once AW was gone, I wasn't going to fuss about cancellations any longer.  This garbage is not worth it!  

4 hours ago, ChitHappens said:

 

Bingo!  I no longer fight it.  Once AW was gone, I wasn't going to fuss about cancellations any longer.  This garbage is not worth it!  

 

I've come to the same conclusion. 

22 hours ago, ChitHappens said:

 

Yeah, and when they are comfortable enough to replace, bye bye.  I think GH is seriously the next to go.  Strahan's new show as well as Tamron's?  There's no way you do no new eppies for almost a whole week if you are not testing to see if viewers bother to return.  ABCd decided to capitalize off of the labor day weekend to extend the break.  

 

Well, to be fair, GH could be axed any minute, hour, day, etc. It's always been a matter of time, personally. And the right replacement. They haven't actively been trying to replace it, technically (Tamron is likely syndicated and GMA Day replaces The Chew), but they aren't exactly going to go out of their way for it either (this isn't 2010/2011 when it was obvious they were actively trying to replace). I imagine it depends how well GMA Day does. But personally, GH should be very happy ABC wanted to dump The Chew ... when they didn't bother replacing two co-hosts, I knew the show was dying/dead. It makes sense to swap The Chew out for another hour of GMA. The Chew belonged on Food Network.

 

People thought "Katie" would be the death of GH. Where's she at? (Personally, Tamron is more appealing than GH at this point! And she's sure as hell more appealing than fake good girl Couric)

 

I think the networks want out of soaps. But CBS needs Y&R to tank to justify it (hmmm ... recycling hacks is a good indicator ... we should have figured this out when they first hired JFP years ago; they know the reputation she has and the writers they've hired have) ... B&B could easily move to CBS All Access and be sold internationally as it still is.

 

DAYS has the next best chance to survive through Corday and Sony. And NBC seems indifferent at the moment.

 

Wouldn't it be something if DAYS were the last soap standing (other than B&B)? When DAYS was called dead 11 years ago.

 

I've tried thinking of where other soaps would be if they were still on the air, but I just can't; I'm almost glad they exist in my memory and we can get glimpses of them through YouTube. And since we aren't getting quality, I'm still of mind that we need to say goodbye and remember these shows as they were. I know you agree on that, lol. I've struggled with that but the shows are all hot messes just existing. They've been "existing" for about 10 years now.

 

The networks want out, but the remaining soaps have managed to survive through ratings (Y&R/B&B), indifference (NBC) and lack of replacement (GH). It's only a matter of time, honestly. I also think a small part of them knows the intense blowback they'd get. But ABC got massive blowback for AMC/OLTL and didn't care. So ... 

Edited August 31, 20187 yr by KMan101

Well, I liked his first run on Y&R.

 

But any goodwill he made he destroyed with the rape on DAYS.

 

So...:(

8 hours ago, KMan101 said:

 

Well, to be fair, GH could be axed any minute, hour, day, etc. It's always been a matter of time, personally. And the right replacement. They haven't actively been trying to replace it, technically (Tamron is likely syndicated and GMA Day replaces The Chew), but they aren't exactly going to go out of their way for it either (this isn't 2010/2011 when it was obvious they were actively trying to replace). I imagine it depends how well GMA Day does. But personally, GH should be very happy ABC wanted to dump The Chew ... when they didn't bother replacing two co-hosts, I knew the show was dying/dead. It makes sense to swap The Chew out for another hour of GMA. The Chew belonged on Food Network.

 

People thought "Katie" would be the death of GH. Where's she at? (Personally, Tamron is more appealing than GH at this point! And she's sure as hell more appealing than fake good girl Couric)

 

I think the networks want out of soaps. But CBS needs Y&R to tank to justify it (hmmm ... recycling hacks is a good indicator ... we should have figured this out when they first hired JFP years ago; they know the reputation she has and the writers they've hired have) ... B&B could easily move to CBS All Access and be sold internationally as it still is.

 

DAYS has the next best chance to survive through Corday and Sony. And NBC seems indifferent at the moment.

 

Wouldn't it be something if DAYS were the last soap standing (other than B&B)? When DAYS was called dead 11 years ago.

 

I've tried thinking of where other soaps would be if they were still on the air, but I just can't; I'm almost glad they exist in my memory and we can get glimpses of them through YouTube. And since we aren't getting quality, I'm still of mind that we need to say goodbye and remember these shows as they were. I know you agree on that, lol. I've struggled with that but the shows are all hot messes just existing. They've been "existing" for about 10 years now.

 

The networks want out, but the remaining soaps have managed to survive through ratings (Y&R/B&B), indifference (NBC) and lack of replacement (GH). It's only a matter of time, honestly. I also think a small part of them knows the intense blowback they'd get. But ABC got massive blowback for AMC/OLTL and didn't care. So ... 

You’re so right about NBC’s indifference about Days. Sony performed renewal jitsu a few years to keep the show on the air. It’s all in bits of the Sony hack haven’t been released...

12 minutes ago, mikelyons said:

You’re so right about NBC’s indifference about Days. Sony performed renewal jitsu a few years to keep the show on the air. It’s all in bits of the Sony hack haven’t been released...

 

Sony goes to bat for their shows, primetime too. I could see Sony wanting DAYS and Y&R online someday. But that seems like a stretch at this point. I feel like once they're done, they're going to be done. Except maybe B&B. And DAYS never seems to die even when Zucker outright said so in 2007 that DAYS was all but dead. Here it is, 11 years later. But it's still vulnerable. I feel like Corday would try to move it online. But it seems like a difficult process. And he's half checked out most of the time.

 

And yeah, they feel very indifferent. I guess right now that's a good thing for the show. I don't know why I see both DAYS and B&B online only at some point, but I could. If they made the effort. But maybe it's wishful thinking.

1 hour ago, KMan101 said:

 

Sony goes to bat for their shows, primetime too. I could see Sony wanting DAYS and Y&R online someday. But that seems like a stretch at this point. I feel like once they're done, they're going to be done. Except maybe B&B. And DAYS never seems to die even when Zucker outright said so in 2007 that DAYS was all but dead. Here it is, 11 years later. But it's still vulnerable. I feel like Corday would try to move it online. But it seems like a difficult process. And he's half checked out most of the time.

 

And yeah, they feel very indifferent. I guess right now that's a good thing for the show. I don't know why I see both DAYS and B&B online only at some point, but I could. If they made the effort. But maybe it's wishful thinking.

Sony does care about their shows - all of them. They’ll work with a network or station group to keep a show on the air. They’re financial projections in terms of ratings are very conservative so I think that works to their advantage 90% of the time. Days is a cheap show to produce (about $700,000 a week) and it would be terribly expensive to replace unless they gave the slot to local stations and I doubt NBC wants to lose more of their daytime revenue. 

Apparently, Josh Griffith is only a temp hire. That’s all I can say for now. 

30 minutes ago, mikelyons said:

Apparently, Josh Griffith is only a temp hire.

 

Hmmmmmmmm.....

 

Interesting.

 

30 minutes ago, mikelyons said:

Days is a cheap show to produce

 

DAYS is cheap, period.

Edited September 1, 20187 yr by Khan

31 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

DAYS is cheap, period.

 

I agree. Saying Sony cares about their shows and then adding that DAYS is cheap to produce? Huh? DAYS looks like it’s produced by a studio that doesn’t care about how the final product looks. It’s claustrophobic and cheap.

 

If Sony “cared,” there’d be more money for DAYS instead of horrible or ruined sets, lousy actor guarantees, etc. 

2 hours ago, ranger1rg said:

 

I agree. Saying Sony cares about their shows and then adding that DAYS is cheap to produce? Huh? DAYS looks like it’s produced by a studio that doesn’t care about how the final product looks. It’s claustrophobic and cheap.

 

If Sony “cared,” there’d be more money for DAYS instead of horrible or ruined sets, lousy actor guarantees, etc. 

I’m no fan of Days and never have been, but, to be fair, Corday Productions owns the show, not Sony. Sony is merely their agent which negotiates their deals with NBC and other worldwide distributors. How Corday uses the money that Sony raises for the show is down to Corday. The actors, studio, writers, producers, etc. contract with Corday, not Sony, so to blame Sony for a product that they don’t produce is a bit unfair. 

2 hours ago, Khan said:

 

Hmmmmmmmm.....

 

Interesting.

 

 

DAYS is cheap, period.

I could say more about his temp hire, but I’m not allowed. From what I’ve heard, he won’t be there to replace Mal. 

my question....who brought him back? Sony or MY?