Members Brolden Posted March 22, 2020 Author Members Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) Outstanding! I love finding channels I didn't know about. I see the episode also ends in a "join us tomorrow". There is an 1998 episode, including a "join us again Monday", that I did not yet find elsewhere on the channel as well. Thanks for the heads-up, I made sure to subscribe! I'll add in the info once I get to the complete overhaul! Sorry it's been a while, these are crazy times we live in. We'll pick things up at November 3, 1987, which is where we got last time. The next confirmed episode number is #7904 on December 9, 1986, which comes from a script. This means there were 19 pre-emptions (which means it's Iran-Contra time!). We know about these 5 pre-emptions: December 25, 1986: Christmas January 1, 1987: New Year's Day July 23, 1987: Iran-Contra hearings? [pre-emption confirmed by Dan Region in the credits] September 7, 1987: US Open September 11, 1987: US Open For the 14 remaining pre-emptions, I have 17 potential candidates: July 7, 1987: Iran-Contra hearings? July 8, 1987: Iran-Contra hearings? July 9, 1987: Iran-Contra hearings? July 10, 1987: Iran-Contra hearings? July 13, 1987: Iran-Contra hearings? July 14, 1987: Iran-Contra hearings? July 15, 1987: Iran-Contra hearings? July 16, 1987: Iran-Contra hearings? July 17, 1987: Iran-Contra hearings? July 20, 1987: Iran-Contra hearings? July 27, 1987: Iran-Contra hearings? July 28, 1987: Iran-Contra hearings? July 29, 1987: Iran-Contra hearings? July 30, 1987: Iran-Contra hearings? July 31, 1987: Iran-Contra hearings? August 3, 1987: Iran-Contra hearings? August 4, 1987: Iran-Contra hearings? December 9, 1986 - November 3, 1987: 19 pre-emptions, 5 confirmed, 17 candidates. Status: open -- The November 7, 1986 episode (Hello, Barbara) is in the P&G Archives as #7884, which means that 2 episodes were pre-empted. We know about both of them: November 27, 1986: Thanksgiving November 28, 1986: Thanksgiving November 7, 1986 - December 9, 1986: 2 pre-emptions, both confirmed. Status: closed -- The April 2, 1986 episode (30th anniversary) is in the P&G Corporate Archives and in the ATAS-UCLA archives as #7729, which means 2 episodes were pre-empted. We know about both of them: September 1, 1986: US Open September 5, 1986: US Open April 2, 1986 - November 7, 1986: 2 pre-emptions, both confirmed. Status: closed -- The March 19, 1985 episode was #7465 according to a script, which means 7 episodes were pre-empted. We know about all 7: September 2, 1985: US Open September 6, 1985: US Open November 28, 1985: Thanksgiving November 29, 1985: Thanksgiving December 25, 1985: Christmas January 1, 1986: New Year's Day January 28, 1986: Challenger disaster coverage March 19, 1985 - April 2, 1986: 7 pre-emptions, all confirmed. Status: closed Edited March 22, 2020 by Brolden 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brolden Posted March 28, 2020 Author Members Share Posted March 28, 2020 Our next checkpoint is November 13, 1984, which is in the P&G Archives as #7377. This means 2 episodes were pre-empted in between, which is problematic, because we have already confirmed 3 pre-emptions. Therefore, one of the "confirmed" episode numbers must, actually, be wrong. However, if we take this period and the next three periods (both of which remain open) together, it still works out. These are the three episodes we have confirmed as pre-empted: November 22, 1984: Thanksgiving [pre-emption confirmed in The Journal listing] November 23, 1984: Thanksgiving [pre-emption confirmed in The Journal listing] December 25, 1984: Christmas [pre-emption confirmed in The Journal listing] To make matters worse, we have a strong candidate for yet a fourth pre-emption in this period: January 1, 1985: New Year's Day [January 1 episodes were pre-empted in every other year since 1974, with the exception of 2004] November 13, 1984 - March 19, 1985: 2 pre-emptions, yet 3 pre-emptions confirmed; 1 more strong candidate. Status: open/error -- August 2, 1984 is also in the P&G Archives as #7307. Based on the episode numbers, 3 episodes were pre-empted. We know about 2 of them for sure: September 3, 1984: US Open September 7, 1984: US Open We don't have any further evidence of possible pre-emptions, but I'm assuming the remaining pre-emption belongs in the period above instead. August 2, 1984 - November 13, 1984: 3 pre-emptions, 2 confirmed, 0 candidates. Status: open -- The 7,000th episode is widely reported to have aired on May 20, 1983. This would mean 7 episodes were pre-empted in between. We know about 6: September 5, 1983: US Open September 9, 1983: US Open November 24, 1983: Thanksgiving [pre-emption confirmed in The Journal listing] November 25, 1983: Thanksgiving [pre-emption confirmed in The Journal listing] December 26, 1983: Extended Christmas holiday [pre-emption confirmed in The Journal listing] January 2, 1984: Extended New Year's holiday [pre-emption confirmed in The Journal listing] For the remaining pre-emption, we have no contenders. However, I'm assuming this pre-emption belongs in one of the above periods instead. May 20, 1983 - August 2, 1984: 7 pre-emptions, 6 confirmed, 0 candidates. Status: open -- If we take all three of the above periods together, the numbers actually work out (although that's a big if, obviously): Between May 20, 1983 and March 19, 1985, 12 episodes were pre-empted. We know about 11 for sure: September 5, 1983: US Open September 9, 1983: US Open November 24, 1983: Thanksgiving [pre-emption confirmed in The Journal listing] November 25, 1983: Thanksgiving [pre-emption confirmed in The Journal listing] December 26, 1983: Extended Christmas holiday [pre-emption confirmed in The Journal listing] January 2, 1984: Extended New Year's holiday [pre-emption confirmed in The Journal listing] September 3, 1984: US Open September 7, 1984: US Open November 22, 1984: Thanksgiving [pre-emption confirmed in The Journal listing] November 23, 1984: Thanksgiving [pre-emption confirmed in The Journal listing] December 25, 1984: Christmas [pre-emption confirmed in The Journal listing] For the remaining pre-emption, we have 1 strong contender: January 1, 1985: New Year's Day [January 1 episodes were pre-empted in every other year since 1974, with the exception of 2004] May 20, 1983 - March 19, 1985: 12 pre-emptions, 11 confirmed, 1 contender. Status: open 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members adrnyc Posted April 2, 2020 Members Share Posted April 2, 2020 I am currently watching an episode on Oakdalian’s channel “Kirk and Ellie’s wedding.” I started to watch “The death of David Stewart” until Lisa was on the phone with Julie saying “I can’t believe you were going through all that during Kirk and Ellie’s wedding.” I’m wondering if that’s the 6/3 ep you have listed from the P&G archives? Or if I’ve found an episode you don’t have accounted for? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brolden Posted April 2, 2020 Author Members Share Posted April 2, 2020 I have that episode jotted down in a list of undated episodes. Oakdalian's channel only places it in June 1991 I think, without an exact date. But from what you're saying, it sounds like the wedding had already happened in the Death Of David Stewart episode? Then it would have to be June 3 or June 4 (or May 31, if Oakdalian is wrong about June). Since the June 3 episode is in the archives, it seems like a good educated guess. I'll see if I can dig up something. Thanks for your continued alertness while you're watching these episodes! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brolden Posted April 11, 2020 Author Members Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) Soap Opera Digest has Maura's debut down as April 11, 1995 (as per one of the recent 5 things that happened today in soap history). Edited April 11, 2020 by Brolden 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members adrnyc Posted April 11, 2020 Members Share Posted April 11, 2020 Yes, exactly. I watched “Kirk’s Bachelor Party” and then I can never find the P&G archive videos so I went to watch “Death of David Stewart” but I’d seen in a playlist an episode called “Kirk and Ellie’s Wedding.” So when Lisa made mention of the wedding, I went back and watched it. K&E’s wedding def takes place between KBP and DoDS. Will let you know if I find anything else that could help as I continue to enjoy my way through the 90s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brolden Posted April 16, 2020 Author Members Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) We left of on May 20, 1983. The next checkpoint is October 29, 1982, which is in the Jerome Lawrence & Robert E. Lee Theatre Research Institute as #6857. This means that 2 episodes were pre-empted in between. We got both verified: November 25, 1982: Thanksgiving November 26, 1982: Thanksgiving October 29, 1982 - May 20, 1983: 2 pre-emptions, both verified. Status: closed -- October 6, 1982 is in the P&G Archives as #6840, which lines up perfectly, meaning there were no pre-emptions. October 6, 1982 - October 29, 1982: No pre-emptions. Status: closed -- The script of the September 8, 1982 episode is detailed in the book Writing For Soaps as #6821, meaning there was 1 pre-emption, and we have it confirmed: September 10, 1982: US Open September 8, 1982 - October 6, 1982: 1 pre-emption, verified. Status: closed -- The script for the May 7, 1982 episode is listed as #6734, meaning there was 1 pre-emption. We know it already: September 6, 1982: US Open May 7, 1982 - September 8, 1982: 1 pre-emption, confirmed. Status: closed -- According to Patricia Bruder Debrovner, February 5, 1982 is #6669, which means no episodes were pre-empted. February 5, 1982 - May 7, 1982: no pre-emptions. Status: closed -- Patricia also lists February 2, 1982 as #6666, which lines up perfectly. February 2, 1982 - February 5, 1982: no pre-emptions. Status: closed -- Unfortunately, following those smooth periods, a few much trickier periods are coming up next... -- Just for the record: the videos from the P&G archives are not (necessarily) available on YouTube. I included them in the list, because number one: if they are in the archive, that means an episode aired on that date and two: they provided me with many episode numbers (although I'm not sure they are all correct. So it's not you, these videos are not on YT. Please register in order to view this content Edited April 16, 2020 by Brolden 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brolden Posted April 17, 2020 Author Members Share Posted April 17, 2020 Patricia Bruder Debrovner has both #6666 and the previous episode, #6665 (February 1, 1982). The next checkpoint I've been using is November 2, 1981, which is the premiere of the "World Turns On And On" theme music. Here's where it gets a bit tricky, because an extensive history of ATWT's theme music states that the previous theme was used for "roughly the first 6605 episodes" (implying the episode number is not set in stone), while later also stating the November 2, 1981 debut of the new theme was #6606 (implying it is). As I stated in the previous post, I am running into some issues trying to straighten out the numbers for the next few periods, so it is possible this number is wrong. It's all I have to go on, however, and around this time checkpoints are getting fewer and farther between, so I will proceed as if November 2, 1981 is #6606, with a note that that could easily be wrong. I will revisit this era later, as I have a few unprocessed numbers from the Dobson papers, that I can't get to work out with anything else at this time. With that said, 6 episodes would need to have been pre-empted. We know about three: November 26, 1981: Thanksgiving December 25, 1981: Christmas January 1, 1982: New Year's Day For the other three pre-emptions, I have no leads. November 2, 1981 - February 1, 1982: 6 pre-emptions, 3 confirmed, 0 leads. Status: open -- August 25, 1981 is in the P&G archives as #6559, meaning there were 2 pre-emptions. We know about 1: September 7, 1981: US Open NOTE: Archived TV listings confirm that the second pre-emption is NOT the US Open Friday, common in later years! I have no leads for it. August 25, 1981 - November 2, 1981: 2 pre-emptions, 1 confirmed, 0 leads. Status: open -- Here's where things get really strange. The next checkpoint is August 27, 1980, which is in the P&G Archives as #6300. Although that's nearly a year before August 25, 1981, these episode numbers line up perfectly, suggesting that no pre-emptions occurred. We know this is wrong, as there were at least three: September 1, 1980: US Open December 25, 1980: Christmas January 1, 1981: New Year's Day In addition to those, I have another, shall we say, strong suspicion: November 27, 1980: Thanksgiving August 27, 1980 - August 25, 1981: 0 pre-emptions, yet 3 confirmed, 1 strong contender. Status: error -- Some people have suggested that back in the day, episode numbers were assigned on pre-empted dates as well. If that is the case, the shift from that practice to only assigning numbers to airing episodes likely occurred during one of the above eras. Beyond this point, it is almost impossible to make anything work, although there are smaller eras around 1970/1971 that work out. Therefore, I will continue marching towards April 2, 1956 in 13 more steps, before I start updating the first few pages of this thread. But it won't be pretty... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brolden Posted April 18, 2020 Author Members Share Posted April 18, 2020 The next checkpoint is June 17, 1980, which is in the P&G archives as #6260, meaning 11 episodes would have been pre-empted in two months, which is highly unlikely. So either the August 27 number, or the June 17 number, is likely off (or both). However it may be, we have no pre-emptions confirmed, nor any leads for this period. June 17, 1980 - August 27, 1980: 11 pre-emptions, 0 confimed, 0 leads. Status: open/error -- The April 27, 1979 episode is in the P&G archives as #5963, which lines up perfectly with June 17, 1980 being #6260. This means there would have been no pre-emptions, yet we already know about 4 (fueling the theory that numbers may have been handed out to pre-empted slots in those days): September 3, 1979: US Open November 22, 1979: Thanksgiving December 25, 1979: Christmas January 1, 1980: New Year's Day April 27, 1979 - June 17, 1980: 0 pre-emptions, yet 4 confirmed. Status: error -- The next confirmed episode number is found on December 24, 1971, nearly 8 years prior. According to a comment from a user named 'Soapluvva' on a video uploaded by 'Danny Hill', that episode is #4072. If that is true, 24 episodes would have been pre-empted in between '71 and '79. We know about 13: January 1, 1974: New Year's Day November 28, 1974: Thanksgiving January 1, 1975: New Year's Day November 27, 1975: Thanksgiving January 1, 1976: New Year's Day September 6, 1976: US Open November 25, 1976: Thanksgiving September 5, 1977: US Open November 24, 1977: Thanksgiving January 2, 1978: Extended New Year's Holiday November 23, 1978: Thanksgiving December 25, 1978: Christmas January 1, 1979: New Year's Day For the remaining 11 pre-emptions, we have 9 contenders: January 1, 1973: New Year's Day June 5, 1973: Watergate June 25, 1973: Watergate June 26, 1973: Watergate June 27, 1973: Watergate June 28, 1973: Watergate June 29, 1973: Watergate November 22, 1973: Thanksgiving September 4, 1978: US Open December 24, 1971 - April 27, 1979: 24 pre-emptions, 12 confirmed, 10 contenders. Status: open 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brolden Posted April 19, 2020 Author Members Share Posted April 19, 2020 The same comment (from 'Soapluvva' on 'Danny Hill's' video) indicated that the December 20, 1971 episode is #4068, which lines up, meaning no episodes were pre-empted in between. December 20, 1971 - December 24, 1971: 0 pre-emptions. Status: closed -- The September 23, 1971 episode in listed as #4007 in a script, which means 1 episode would have been pre-empted in between. We don't have any leads as to what it might have been (Thanksgiving aired both days that year). September 23, 1971 - December 20, 1971: 1 pre-emption, 0 leads. Status: open -- The July 1, 1971 episode is listed as #3947 in a script, which lines up perfectly, meaning no episodes were pre-empted. July 1, 1971 - September 23, 1971: 0 pre-emptions. Status: closed -- The June 28, 1971 episode is listed #3944 in a script, which lines up perfectly as well, so no episodes were pre-empted. June 28, 1971 - July 1, 1971: 0 pre-emptions. Status: closed 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brolden Posted April 19, 2020 Author Members Share Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) The February 10, 1970 episode is listed in a script as being #3589, which means 4 episodes were pre-empted in between. We know about 1: January 1, 1971: New Year's Day February 10, 1970 - June 28, 1971: 4 pre-emptions, 1 confirmed, 0 leads. Status: open -- The January 30, 1970 episode is listed in a script as being #3582, which lines up perfectly, meaning no episodes were pre-empted. January 30, 1970 - February 10, 1970: 0 pre-emptions. Status: closed -- The August 25, 1967 episode is in the Research Collection at New York Public Library Annex as #2962, which means 15 episodes were pre-empted over those 2,5 years. We know about 5 for sure: November 23, 1967: Thanksgiving January 1, 1968: New Year's Day November 28, 1968: Thanksgiving January 1, 1969: New Year's Day November 27, 1969: Thanksgiving For the remaining 10 pre-emptions, we have 1 strong possibility: January 1, 1970: New Year's Day August 25, 1967 - January 30, 1970: 15 pre-emptions, 5 confirmed, 1 lead. Status: open -- The Research Collection at New York Public Library Annex has every episode between August 7 (#2948) and August 25 (#2962), meaning August 7 will be our departure to the next checkpoint, which is January 16, 1967 (#2812). 9 episodes were pre-empted, which seems a lot for a few months, but is due to a strike. We know about 6: April 3, 1967: AFTRA Strike [replaced with Candid Camera reruns] April 4, 1967: AFTRA Strike [replaced with Candid Camera reruns] April 5, 1967: AFTRA Strike [replaced with Candid Camera reruns] April 6, 1967: AFTRA Strike [replaced with Candid Camera reruns] April 7, 1967: AFTRA Strike [replaced with Candid Camera reruns] April 10, 1967: AFTRA Strike [replaced with Candid Camera reruns] That leaves 3 pre-emptions unaccounted for. January 16, 1967 - August 7, 1967: 9 pre-emptions, 6 confirmed, 0 leads. Status: open -- The January 3, 1967 episode is #2803, which lines up perfectly, meaning there were no pre-emptions. January 3, 1967 - January 16, 1967: 0 pre-emptions. Status: closed -- Unfortunately, that is the last confirmed episode number I have. Since we know April 2, 1956 was #1, it would seem that only 4 episodes were pre-empted in those 11 years, which seems incredibly unlikely and we actually already know about 8 pre-emptions, with 13 more suspected ones. So either the 1967 episode numbers are wrong, or, as I've speculated, pre-empted episodes were given episode numbers in those days. Either way, these are the 8 pre-emptions we know about: August 13, 1956: Democratic Presidential Convention August 14, 1956: Democratic Presidential Convention August 15, 1956: Democratic Presidential Convention November 22, 1956: Thanksgiving January 1, 1957: New Year's Day January 21, 1957: Eisenhower Inauguration (second term) January 1, 1959: New Year's Day November 24, 1966: Thanksgiving And these are the 13 dates I suspect may have been pre-empted as well: November 28, 1957: Thanksgiving November 27, 1958: Thanksgiving November 26, 1959: Thanksgiving November 24, 1960: Thanksgiving November 23, 1960: Thanksgiving January 1, 1962: New Year's Day November 22, 1962: Thanksgiving January 1, 1963: New Year's Day November 28, 1963: Thanksgiving January 1, 1964: New Year's Day November 26, 1964: Thanksgiving January 1, 1965: New Year's Day November 25, 1965: Thanksgiving April 2, 1956 - January 3, 1967: 4 pre-emptions, yet 8 confirmed, 13 more suspicions. Status: error -- I hope to update the actual list on the first few pages over the next few days Edited April 19, 2020 by Brolden 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brolden Posted April 20, 2020 Author Members Share Posted April 20, 2020 2010 section updated 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Paul Raven Posted April 21, 2020 Members Share Posted April 21, 2020 January 1 1958 was pre-empted for the Orange Bowl football game from Miami. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members feuxdelamour Posted April 21, 2020 Members Share Posted April 21, 2020 I've carried out some research about the preemptions during the Spring / Summer 1987, during which the Iran-Contra hearings caused preemptions for soap operas. I've compiled the information I obtained on this page : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1trpdN7MD32DuQndhzfNFJI7ZBb-sLNQI9bPM3p_zMj4/ Any info to complete or correct this document will be highly appreciated! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brolden Posted April 21, 2020 Author Members Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) 2009 section updated Thanks! Will add that in. It will show up in the update. Edited April 21, 2020 by Brolden 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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