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2 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

Well Y&R is late to the party and the Adam/Rafe mess didn't help either.

 

Ugh true. And then Phillip coming back from the dead waving his rainbow flag was also awful. Neither of those should have been so bad

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12 minutes ago, YRBB said:

Also, this is making me think Mal may have been another fast-ish replacement and they may look for someone else in the meantime. I HIGHLY doubt he'll make it through being both EP and HW for long.

 

Yeah, that would have been a good way to handle it, IA. But considering she lost her only remaining family member and was devastated, I'm sure she wanted to be like -- OK, here's four stories, that's what's going on, I'm out.

 

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3 minutes ago, Vizion said:

Also, I don't think Sally is a hack. I think she's a boring writer and a mediocre talent. She got a lot of credit for who she worked for rather than her own output. 

 

I'm really annoyed that Kay is tied to this because I still have a lot of respect for her. What did she do exactly? Cause Sally very clearly made it seem like all of the ideas and stories were hers. Did Kay contribute at all I wonder? 

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3 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

 

Ugh true. And then Phillip coming back from the dead waving his rainbow flag was also awful. Neither of those should have been so bad

Ah yes...I forgot about that too....that was awful too!

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13 minutes ago, Vizion said:

 

No worries, all good. I think the conversation about labels as it pertains to sexuality is still a little gray, there's arguments for and against but labels help people identify a community and common individuals which is super important for groups who are still discriminated against. 

 

At this point I really hope that Angelica is going to give Mal his shot or whatever (I have zero confidence he can do both jobs) but she's also ACTIVELY looking for a real headwriter and I mean getting people to submit longterm story plans for characters, doing interviews, etc. I have a hard time believing that it's that hard to find a HW honestly.

 

+1 to the labels thing. I'm fluid and it's been .. interesting so I do "get it" to some degree. It's a touchy subject but a good conversation. Not the thread for it though lol ... but I do think they may be searching for a new HW. Mal just won't be able to do both.

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3 minutes ago, Vizion said:

I'm really annoyed that Kay is tied to this because I still have a lot of respect for her. What did she do exactly? Cause Sally very clearly made it seem like all of the ideas and stories were hers. Did Kay contribute at all I wonder? 

 

I think Kay was there more to guide than to contribute.  Aside from Janice Ferri Esser and Natalie Minardi Slater, Y&R's writing staff consists of people who don't have an association with the show that reaches back decades.  Ergo, Sally might have brought her on to help train them (more or less) in the "Bell style" or a close approximation thereof while she concentrated on determining and laying out current story.

 

Of course, when you're dealing with a HW who either has no real plans for a show, or whose plans are so lackluster that they fail to generate suspense on a daily basis, there's only so much that a story consultant who isn't actually responsible for writing the show can do.

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9 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

Indeed, lol.

 

Now, I'll say this much: from what little I've been able to glean from this board, Twitter and elsewhere, Mal Young seems to possess a genuine fondness for Y&R, its history and legacy within daytime television.  Which might go a long way toward building trust and goodwill with the audience as he fills the HW'ing chair.

 

However, if there's anything I have learned from Sally Sussman Morina's relatively brief time in this particular gig, it's that a fondness for this show (or any show) isn't always enough.  To win over the fans, you also must be able to keep it compelling and fresh.  Is Mal capable of doing this without alienating more of Y&R's audience in the process?  Time, as they say, will tell.

 

Agreed with this. I want him to succeed but I have my doubts. Time will tell.

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Just now, John said:

It didnt help that Thom Bierdz was green and I dont remember him that bad in 86-89

He was bad even back then but it helped that he was cute. As Sophia would say....You're not cute anymore...work on it Rose....LOL

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