If you want a better example, Natalia Livingston also won Best Supporting Actress.

Edited June 29, 201411 yr by lovely_m

Yeah, Victoria was definitely more iconic. Then they felt she was too strong a woman for the show, and they devitalized her like you would do with a tooth. And now we're stuck with godawful Amelia Heinle.

Edited June 29, 201411 yr by Aback

Victoria loses her baby, Stitch turns out to be a lunatic and is killed off - or not, if he's truly interesting enough for the chemistry he had with Eileen Davidson to be worth keeping him, which I frankly doubt.

Victoria leaves town heartbroken, is gone for 3-6 months. Returns played by, well, Gina Tognoni would've been perfect but here we are. Or Sarah Brown. And is the old Victoria again, hardened by life and loss. Simple solution.

Edited June 29, 201411 yr by Vee

Even Heather Tom wasn't really the "old Victoria" in her last years in the role. Y&R gave up on female characters like Victoria in the mid/late 90s.

I think the character is beyond salvaging at this point.

Even Heather Tom wasn't really the "old Victoria" in her last years in the role. Y&R gave up on female characters like Victoria in the mid/late 90s.

I think the character is beyond salvaging at this point.

That's the truth. They gave up on that character long before HT left.

Giggly Heffa iconic while Victoria was not? GMAFB!

Thank you! Victoria is heiress to the Newman fortune, and it matters not if a human brick is playing her. Phyllis is a trouble making clown that overstayed her welcome (But YR, please feel free to call Redzilla back)!

Thank you! Victoria is heiress to the Newman fortune, and it matters not if a human brick is playing her. Phyllis is a trouble making clown that overstayed her welcome (But YR, please feel free to call Redzilla back)!

but THAT is the thing tho, isn't it? There is so much going for Victoria being the HBIC in Genoa City, yet she STAYS being overshadowed by these other women (Dru, Phyl, Sharon, even Grace when she was on the show!) w/o all the heritage... that's hilarious. Regardless of Amelia Heinle's performance and on-screen presence, even when Heather Tom had the role... there was ALWAYS another female on the canvas draaaaaging her (and/or Ashley, tbh) .

Edited June 30, 201411 yr by dio

Even Heather Tom wasn't really the "old Victoria" in her last years in the role. Y&R gave up on female characters like Victoria in the mid/late 90s.

Exactly. Victor was ICONIC 1991-2001... Ever since, not so much. Giggly Heffa was iconic in the 90s and early 2000s. But she has been equally ruined since at least 2006 and with brief resurgence under Josh Griffith and Michelle's exit.

That's the truth. They gave up on that character long before HT left.

Heather's Victoria was still Victoria until the end.

It was the writers that decided that Victoria was a "romantic dead end" to justify making Nick & Sharon the new second generation Newman leads (despite the fact that Heather had shown tons of chemistry with several existing Y&R lead actors before her exit).

Ever since, not so much.

Heather's Victoria was fine.

The irony of it all is the same sexism that kept Victor from wanting her as his heir is the same sexism that's made Victoria into the unkempt baby burglar that she is today.

Heather's Victoria was still Victoria until the end.

It was the writers that decided that Victoria was a "romantic dead end" to justify making Nick & Sharon the new second generation Newman leads (despite the fact that Heather had shown tons of chemistry with several existing Y&R lead actors before her exit).

When I say they had given up on her, I meant as her being what she should be to the show. Instead they pushed her to the back to let Sharon and Nick lead.

Edited July 2, 201411 yr by ajsp35801

Heather's Victoria was fine.

The irony of it all is the same sexism that kept Victor from wanting her as his heir is the same sexism that's made Victoria into the unkempt baby burglar that she is today.

I still can't believe they had Victor tell Victoria that he didn't want her to be his heir because she was a woman. And then the writers didn't allow her to prove to be the heir he needed. Without the triumph, TPTB validated Victor's position. Well damn!

Gina's interview in SOD was great she talked about how she got cast as Phyllis. She said as soon as the casting call went out she sent out her work to y and r which she immediately got a call would u test for us. She said the audition was very nerve racking and there were very good actresses auditioning.

She said JFP told get go to think balls to the walls in this audition. She said she went for it in a big way had no idea if she got the part and was thrilled when JFP called her and said her audition was flawless. She is so happy to work with Jill again who she said she worked do many million moons ago at OLTL but Jill gets it and is so smart and terrific. She said her husband is a god send and she will still commute back and forth to the east costs. She said y and r is a dream show. Her name floated around in the early 2000s for Victoria when I think it was when heather Tom left in 2003 and also during times where she almost bolted. She said in 2009 she met with Maria bell for a role but the timing didn't work. People don't remember Gina was offered sandy on b and b and she declined which went to Sarah brown. She chose Kelly because wanted to be on the east coast she had just married her husband. She is ready to knock it out.

Edited July 2, 201411 yr by JONNYSBRO

Josh Morrow on Gina as Phyllis

http://michaelfairmansoaps.com/news/yrs-joshua-morrow-chats-on-gina-tognoni-being-the-new-phyllis-i-just-hope-the-fans-give-her-a-shot/2014/07/01/

Cassadine in SOD raved about Gina in SOD saying how amazing her read was with him. I wish I could have seen her audition everyone raves how amazing it was. I think it's awesome Gina though actually auditioned for the part against other actresses not handed the part because she worked with JFP 15 to 16 years ago.