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GH: October 2012 Discussion Thread

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Well, I'll just go ahead and say it, I find Natalia Livingston to be over-hated. Sure, her Emily paled in comparison to Amber Tamblyn's, but I've seen much worse actresses on this show. Furthermore, she was one of the few female characters (in spite of the shitty writing) who was (generally) a decent person.

And while I wasn't crazy about her Emily, I actually liked Rebecca Shaw and wish that she'd stuck around long enough (though I did appreciate her hopeful ending with not-Zander wub.png ) to see JJ Lucky rip into Liz over her trifling behavior.

I actually did like Rebecca Shaw however Emily came off as a closet bitch and the wuv story with Nik was insufferable. Those two had some anti chemistry going on.

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I actually did like Rebecca Shaw however Emily came off as a closet bitch and the wuv story with Nik was insufferable. Those two had some anti chemistry going on.

I think that anti-chemistry had more to do with their off-screen relationship, as well as TC's on-screen laziness. I could've gotten into Emily/Nikolas if this show hadn't thrown Zander under the bus to make them happen.

As for Emily's demeanor? I thought that NL's version was far more dimwitted than undercover bitchy, but that wasn't enough for me to outright loathe her presence like so many viewers did.

Not that I thought that Ethan was worthy for any female to fight over, but I'd have much rather had seen Rebecca and Maya go at it as rivals (eventually having said rivalry eclipse that bum) than the Romper Room battle that they were teasing (and thankfully killed).

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Well, I'll just go ahead and say it, I find Natalia Livingston to be over-hated. Sure, her Emily paled in comparison to Amber Tamblyn's, but I've seen much worse actresses on this show. Furthermore, she was one of the few female characters (in spite of the shitty writing) who was (generally) a decent person.

And while I wasn't crazy about her Emily, I actually liked Rebecca Shaw and wish that she'd stuck around long enough (though I did appreciate her hopeful ending with not-Zander wub.png ) to see JJ Lucky rip into Liz over her trifling behavior.

I didn't hate her. She wasn't AT, but she was semi-believable as Emily (her whole nonsense with Sonny, notwithstanding). Her character went in a direction that I don't think it would have gone with AT continuing in the role, but she was better than some of the young leads at the time (ahem, Courtney). They never should have killed her off.

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I think that anti-chemistry had more to do with their off-screen relationship, as well as TC's on-screen laziness. I could've gotten into Emily/Nikolas if this show hadn't thrown Zander under the bus to make them happen.

As for Emily's demeanor? I thought that NL's version was far more dimwitted than undercover bitchy, but that wasn't enough for me to outright loathe her presence like so many viewers did.

Not that I thought that Ethan was worthy for any female to fight over, but I'd have much rather had seen Rebecca and Maya go at it as rivals (eventually having said rivalry eclipse that bum) than the Romper Room battle that they were teasing (and thankfully killed).

I actually don't think NL's Emily and Nik had anti-chemistry. They were at times mind-numbingly boring and totally overwrought with their fairytale lovestory, but they didn't have bad chemistry together. I thought CB's Zander and NL's Emily had anti chemistry. I assume if AT stayed in the role Emily/Zander would have been endgame, but for NL's Emily Nik was a better option. But what do I know? I thought Sonny/Emily had chemistry even though the pairing was disgusting on so many levels. I certainly didn't like the pairing, but I thought MB had better chemistry with NL than, say, Hannah, Reese, or Angel.

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I actually did think MB and NL had some chemistry. I also thought TC had more chem with ALW than NL. When TC and NL shared scenes together all sorts of bad tics came out and that pirate crap was a fail on so many levels. Throwing Zander and Gia under the bus was a bad idea. I actually saw chemistry between CB and NL. She sure had more chemistry with him in those short scenes they had at the end of her last run then with TC that entire year.

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I actually did think MB and NL had some chemistry. I also thought TC had more chem with ALW than NL. When TC and NL shared scenes together all sorts of bad tics came out and that pirate crap was a fail on so many levels. Throwing Zander and Gia under the bus was a bad idea. I actually saw chemistry between CB and NL. She sure had more chemistry with him in those short scenes they had at the end of her last run then with TC that entire year.

Yep I liked his story with Courtney after Em spent sufficient storytime pushing Nik away (cuz he looked like Conner for another reason)...then next thing I know suddenly overnight... Emily wants him back after repeatedly telling him she didn't want him and to move on so Nik was the bad guy cuz he did what she said w/Courtney and became a father to Spencer. I remember a lot of my fellow NikEm fans having a fit cuz he was paired with Courtney.. That kind of stuff doesn't bother me on a soap...sometimes I welcome a breakup ...they can always get back together.

Characters shouldn't be enslaved in a pairing where they can't break free but that seems to be a top priority of the new demo they want fairy tale romances on a soap opera.

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I actually liked Nik/Court and also Jax/Court even though I couldn't stand the Courtney character.

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Characters shouldn't be enslaved in a pairing where they can't break free but that seems to be a top priority of the new demo they want fairy tale romances on a soap opera.

I don't think the desire for the fairytale romance is new. Hasn't the essence of these types of shows been from the beginning, the desire for women to be swept away to a fantasy that is nothing like their own mundane lives of laundry, cooking, etc.? I was talking to a friend of mine about that yesterday. There were shows I loved and when they ended, I moved on. In today's society, we've got people behaving as if they have some sort of chemical dependency where they fight to keep characters on and fight to keep shows on the air. They speak as if they can't breathe if X and Y don't stay together and they apparently believe that everyone else must feel the same way as they do. There are all these different social media avenues convincing them that lots of other people feel the same way and that all they have to do is unite to keep characters tied together. Sadly, some of these people even believe that the actors portraying their favorite couples belong together in real life as well which makes for some nasty reactions towards whoever they feel is standing in the way of true love.

More than anything, I hated to see Laura anchored to Luke because I'm one of the probably handful of people who don't see that as the greatest love story in the history of soaps. Luke is crass and no romantic hero to me and I don't believe all the ladies should want him. I hate what was done to Felicia no matter what AG's intentions might have been in believing he was helping Kristina Wagner. What I wanted to see was Laura have an epiphany where she realized that Luke was not and was never going to be the right man for her and move on without ever looking back at him in any romantic fashion. But you know which fans get to win--the ones who believe in the great seduction not rape.

Oh and I may sound crazy to people for saying this but Laura never seemed the adventurous type to me. There's something about Genie Francis' acting that screams practical and possibly compulsive mother or just plain compulsive but not let's go on the run. She looks out of her element in the fun zone....sort of nervous to me.

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What sort of work would make his eyebrows go up on the ends AWAY from his face? His and Finola's plastic surgery side by side yesterday was a bit too much for me

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Yep I liked his story with Courtney after Em spent sufficient storytime pushing Nik away (cuz he looked like Conner for another reason)...then next thing I know suddenly overnight... Emily wants him back after repeatedly telling him she didn't want him and to move on so Nik was the bad guy cuz he did what she said w/Courtney and became a father to Spencer. I remember a lot of my fellow NikEm fans having a fit cuz he was paired with Courtney.. That kind of stuff doesn't bother me on a soap...sometimes I welcome a breakup ...they can always get back together.

Characters shouldn't be enslaved in a pairing where they can't break free but that seems to be a top priority of the new demo they want fairy tale romances on a soap opera.

The demo does not necessaily want fairytale romances the writers think they do. I can't think of any of my young friends at that time that enjoyed Nik and Em's fairytale crap. People want couples to ship more than anything else but they don't necessarily have to have story book romances. In fact I definitely see less shipping of fairytale romances.

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The demo does not necessaily want fairytale romances the writers think they do. I can't think of any of my young friends at that time that enjoyed Nik and Em's fairytale crap. People want couples to ship more than anything else but they don't necessarily have to have story book romances. In fact I definitely see less shipping of fairytale romances.

I didn't like the pairing but I think it's not reasonable to say that folks don't want fairy tale romances. Why on earth do those insipid romance novels sell like gangbusters if women weren't driven to that kind of fantasy? I don't think we can speak for viewers.I'll never understand the appeal of Jason and Sam or Todd and Blair or Todd and Tea or John and Natalie, but there are folks who love them.

I think the interesting part about Nikolas and Emily was that their best story was the story after Emily's rape when they broke up. It had nothing to do with who had chemistry and who didn't or the pairings that followed, both which stunk by the way, it was an angsty realistic story and I thought both actors did some of their best work together in it, even if I did hate the pairing and think TC phoned it in 90 percent of the time.

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I'm not saying all women don't want fairytale romances but alot of popular pairings lately aren't any type of fairytale. I mean 50 shades of grey and copy cat books are a big hit. Does that mean all women want BDSM?

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I didn't like the pairing but I think it's not reasonable to say that folks don't want fairy tale romances. Why on earth do those insipid romance novels sell like gangbusters if women weren't driven to that kind of fantasy? I don't think we can speak for viewers.I'll never understand the appeal of Jason and Sam or Todd and Blair or Todd and Tea or John and Natalie, but there are folks who love them.

I think the real variable is what constitutes a "fairytale" romance especially on a soap. I guarantee that my idea of a fairytale doesn't jibe with the soap definition. Fairytale is like "supercouple" we each basically decide it for ourselves. I think that's one of the effects of a diverse audience (diverse meaning in experience and viewpoints as well as demographics). One person's fairytale is somebody else's felony.

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Emily and Sonny was the grossest chit on GH in a lot of years. Mo's demands were out of control, and I would have let his ass go shortly after that.

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