I mean obviously it's sad that Hope is dead, but it's hardly BJ!

I don't think anyone is outraged about the legacy of Hope. It's mostly just the laziness of yet another dead child on a soap, especially since the main focus was on Michael.

I would say that I thought KA did a decent job in the post-crash scenes, aside from that hilarious OW OW OW. Duell is sort of the same all the time but he was OK. Comparing this to the Helena scenes which were supposed to be so chilling was another example of today's soaps not having the time or talent for those moments. Geary and Nathan Parsons both acted like they were in a bad basement production. I was watching with someone who was taking the episode seriously and drawn in, but when they had the closeup of Tony Geary and his bad makeup going AAAGGGH!!!, they burst out laughing.

Edited February 29, 201213 yr by CarlD2

I agree with Carl on the Hope thing. If their was a purpose other than getting rid of Starr's baggage. It wouldn't be so bad.

Oh my God, sure it's fiction, but you all are heartless not giving an eff that a child is dead!

lol...I never liked Hope anyway.

Today I I finally put GH back on my DVR schedule after taking it off last spring

Sam has more sympathies for Sonny than for Robin's husband? How nice of her

She's an absolute piece of selfish waste. Now that she's got what she wanted, she can spare a couple of minutes to recognize other people are in agony. True, it's nothing compared to her own but...

I don't care about Hope, I just care that they had to do some stunt death for a child for no apparent reason other than more of Michael making doe eyes. If your character is so destroyed that random kids need to die for people to feel sympathy for you, then it's time to go. It also gives the idea that RC just has no real stories to tell.

So much word to this

So, we've had explosions, car crashes, gunplay and three deaths all in five episodes. Tell me, again, Daytime Confidential, why RC and Valentini are godsends when it feels like Guza and Phelps have simply come back from vacation?

A child we met five minutes ago. I have no connection to these dead people.

They're deranged. RC and FV are NOT god and us OLTL fans can tell you that. And hey now, let's not hate on one another! The OLTL fans care...well some of us haha.

I was feeling confident, but I was still worried about Carlivati's take on GH. I now see I had reason to worry. I know many were worried he'd turn it into OLTL-lite, but I figured it would be a different kind of stupidity and I was right.

LOL well said

Sounds like I'm not missing much and these guys are all working with the same playbook.

I remember a day when death was not a staple on Daytime…...

I think it's too soon for me to say that GH is better, but the last week was good, imo. If nothing else the show has been more exciting then it's been in a good long while. It's also been a long time since GH has made me feel much of anything, but watching Mac, Anna and Patrick grieve was pretty gut wrenching. I never was much of a Robin fan, but I think they have handled her death pretty well given the change in writers midstream. It's obvious she was originally going to die of HIV and someone didn't like it and changed direction. Probably a good call given how upset so many people were about that ending for her.

Forget, John Mcpain, Send AMC's Dr. David Hayward To GH!

http://www.facebook.com/cowleyandeddins?sk=wall

If I thought there were a chance in hell GH would survive another year, I would be all over the idea of David Hayward coming to GH. He makes a lot more sense than John or Starr.

4 people died on GH within one week, which is like 1 hour GH time. And the fallout (still playing) out is quite sad. One dead person is laying on the floor and no one cares?

Is Irina still on the floor?

...Oh hell no. I'm already over this crossover. Knowing RC, Cole and Hope will somehow have escaped and will return down the road. He can never stick to a decision he makes, even if it's a terrible one like this.

Also, could they be ANY lazier when it comes to starting Todd vs. Sonny? I mean really.

I can't believe they'd kill off Cole & Hope! What was the point of even having him get out of jail on OLTL if he was going to die this soon? If Ron could bring back Eli, Tea, Mitch and Victor on OLTL, he'll no doubt have these 2 pop up alive in the next few months.

Yeah, Todd vs. Sonny with their kids in love caught in the middle. UGH!!!

Wait, why would Starr stay in Port Charles if Cole and Hope died? It doesn't make any sense.

Not much Ron & Frank did on OLTL made sense to me.

I get that they want to start her fresh on GH for their fans but to alienate the OLTL fans who went through those storylines with her? So, so stupid. There was middle ground and they did it all wrong.

Yup!

Yep. They just don't seem to get WHAT viewers want to see or how they want to FEEL the stories and go through all the notches with the characters, not just observe them from a detached, viewer standpoint. Hope is a character, a child. No one wants to see her die but if they absolutely feel it's necessary, they need to prove why that decision was made through the writing. If not, it was a prop death which I have no doubt it will be.

I really don't get what would keep Starr in Port Charles now unless she's gonna fall for Michael in two days time.

That's exactly why I never got on the Ron & Frank bandwagon. Their stories never made me feel anything for the characters.

Of course, Starr will fall for Michael so their father's feud will keep them apart. What else would you expect from Ron & Frank?

So, we've had explosions, car crashes, gunplay and three deaths all in five episodes. Tell me, again, Daytime Confidential, why RC and Valentini are godsends when it feels like Guza and Phelps have simply come back from vacation?

In terms of violence, I think they're equal.

As a OLTL fan I find this disrespectful. I HATED when ATWT killed off several MAJOR Another World characters and I never watched that show! It's so unfair to the fans of that show. Why not just send these characters back to their original town when the story ends? It's not like you're going to have a big, splashy AW/OLTL funeral for them or anything. In this case we know at least Hope will be alive, but how long will we wait to find out? If it's a long time, then I don't wanna watch Starr grieving or falling in love with Michael instantly. There is also NO WAY she'd stay in Port Charles when her huge family is in Llanview. She's not even 21 yet.

On OLTL Carlivati killed all of Jessica and Natalie's love interests (and both of Jess' baby daddies) and now Starr's daughter AND baby daddy? Just in the context of GH, we had to deal with Jake last year and this is just as bad IMO. We watched Starr grow up and this is the daughter of an important family. Nobody wants to watch a child die, let alone repeatedly in a silly story. I don't care that she may eventually be alive.

I was feeling confident, but I was still worried about Carlivati's take on GH. I now see I had reason to worry. I know many were worried he'd turn it into OLTL-lite, but I figured it would be a different kind of stupidity and I was right.

I had low hopes to start with but I'll keep watching through Robin's funeral anyway, then GH will be off my DVR for the forseeable future.

It may be true that in terms of violence RC is off to quite a start, but I also think the violence is being shown to have an actual impact on the show now. Ethan and Luke were both horrified to see Cassandra murdered by her own mother. Instead of acting cynical as usual, Luke actually showed some emotion.

Robin's death is having a real impact on a lot of people. Maxie, Mac, Anna and Patrick all got some really good reaction scenes.

I thought Hope and Cole's death was also well done, considering the audience doesn't have a connection to these characters.

RC and his team have managed to raise the stakes and make these events feel like they have emotional impact, imo. Guza was pretty decent at this when he did his sweep stunts too, but GW just couldn't pull it off.

I certainly don't think RC is going to be a savior to GH. I think it's too late, but it's possible that he is the right one to send the show off the air (short of Labine or Montey). He's on the right track bringing back people like Anna, Robert and Holly. As I recall, OLTL fans loved RC's first 6 months of OLTL, then the reviews were mixed. If the internet buzz is correct, all he has to do is give us six good months of GH and it's over anyway.

The acting from Geary and Nathan Parsons was so horrible that most of the impact of Irina's death was lost, to me. I guess on paper it might have been more affecting.

I really wish they had killed Ethan too.

RC and FV always have a lot of violence but don't quite back it up emotionally - turning the "death" of a young father and a child into Michael moping about his "promise" was very hollow, along with the general non-reactions to Robin's death. No one at the hospital, aside from Patrick, seemed to give a care. I think they may be a little lost without old crutches like TW. If David Vickers had been there to crack some jokes like, "I was going to remake Woman in White - now it's more like Corpse in Red," RC may have felt more comfortable.

As I recall, OLTL fans loved RC's first 6 months of OLTL, then the reviews were mixed.

At the time the strike was blamed. RC is similar to Hogan Sheffer in that for a long time, someone else was always at fault for writing flaws.

Edited February 29, 201213 yr by CarlD2

I can't believe they'd kill off Cole & Hope! What was the point of even having him get out of jail on OLTL if he was going to die this soon?

Bc the ending on OLTL wasn't created with the knowledge that they'd be continuing on GH