I would just say that she was cloned or whatever and the clone was defective, and then bring Kyle and Fish back for a few days to meet her.

The main reason I want to see more of the Todd/Tea scenes like the punch and Todd leaving her to die is because the show has papered over or told viewers to laugh at that stuff for years. I want to see it again in the context of this Todd. I never thought it was funny at the time and yet Todd/Tea are supposed to be some great romance.

Well, yeah, and that's another defining difference here. TSJ's Todd and Tea were just fondly recounting their violent episodes in the last couple months, when she had him tied up at the lodge. The vibe was "lol, we so crazy." What's the first thing RH's Todd does when he comes back and sees her? He apologizes for how he treated her. And I think that was right, because that's how he left their relationship in 2002. He made amends and made peace, which is why I thought it was sad and stupid when he got back to the mainland and didn't even call the Coast Guard and resumed having a bug up his ass with everyone for not forgiving him for Jack immediately. It was more stupid writing at that time, but I am glad that today, this week, his Todd has picked up that thread properly.

I'm a fan of an evolving character who doesn't just retrace the same three steps again and again.

As for evolution? I am all for it which is why I cheered TSJ's Todd and Blair, finally after decades of using their kids as weapons, putting an end to Starr Wars, once and for all. THAT evolution didn't occur under RH's Todd as he was lying and plotting how to steal Starr and Jack again just before his departure in 2003.

I also saw Todd evolve where he could actually FORGIVE a woman for lying to him without FIRST torturing her with some cruel revenge scheme. But interestingly enough when Todd forgives Tea, he's called OOC.

It's very, very selective evolution you applaud.

The Todd of the last few years is hated by everyone in town EXCEPT a few people who love him despite his faults and crimes. John, Rex, Marty continually call him a monster and he's still written as the town pariah. Todd was given his RICHES and FANCY HOME in 1995 NOT 4 years ago.

I was watching during Victor LORD and he exploited Merrys, Tony, Joe and especially Viki's weaknesses for his own selfish ends. And that is what Todd did in 1998 when he exploited Viki's DID, which is why she said he reminded her of father.

It is at the very beginning of the clip... LOL. Blair asked who the real Todd Manning was and Tomas said he wasn't sure. When Todd was in a coma he tried to get a blood sample but was interrupted. (Dani and Nate)

Oh ROFL wow, I must've skipped the beginning. Thanks! Glad they're attempting to keep up continuity, at least recent stuff anyway

As for evolution? I am all for it which is why I cheered TSJ's Todd and Blair, finally after decades of using their kids as weapons, putting an end to Starr Wars, once and for all. THAT evolution didn't occur under RH's Todd as he was lying and plotting how to steal Starr and Jack again just before his departure in 2003.

He said a lot of things back then. What I remember is the last time he saw Blair, where he agreed to leave but told the cop at the door he was coming back. What he did was go into that crypt.

I also saw Todd evolve where he could actually FORGIVE a woman for lying to him without FIRST torturing her with some cruel revenge scheme. But interestingly enough when Todd forgives Tea, he's called OOC.

That Todd has never forgiven Tea. At a moment's notice he brings up the past with Dani and Ross in any argument, about anything, then calls her a bitch and a traitor and rages when she does not immediately roll over, though she always does. Or have we forgotten how he met Vimal?

The Todd of the last few years is hated by everyone in town EXCEPT a few people who love him despite his faults and crimes.

And Kelly, and Viki and Clint and Jessica and...well, the list goes on. It is nowhere near the kind of aura that surrounded Todd in the old days. The Todd of the last several years is domesticated despite some unbelievably atrocious actions - he invites people to engagement parties for himself and his bride (in the house where he raped Marty) so they can enjoy the musical stylings of his new daughter, after he has just saved the town from a violent serial killer. People weep at his bedside as he is shot by a sniper or beaten up by the son of his rape victim; Sure, he's bad...but this guy who dislikes him is worse! We should've trusted Todd all along! Quick, everyone rush to help him save the day! He has become Sonny Corinthos. It's Frons's ABC.

John, Rex, Marty continually call him a monster and he's still written as the town pariah. Todd was given his RICHES and FANCY HOME in 1995 NOT 4 years ago.

What do we call the Rapehaus? Who sleeps in that swank room he raped Marty in? Danielle?

I was watching during Victor LORD and he exploited Merrys, Tony, Joe and especially Viki's weaknesses for his own selfish ends. And that is what Todd did in 1998 when he exploited Viki's DID, which is why she said he reminded her of father.

And she forgave him. How she forgave him for raping again, and stealing Hope, is beyond me.

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You want to talk about romanticizing a rapist and making him out to be some sort of Prince Charming? The Todd of the last three or four years has been rich, powerful, surrounded by adoring women and children, with all his enemies crushed or marginalized. He had multiple fairy tale weddings

Multiple fairytale weddings? RH's Todd had 8 weddings. TSJ's Todd had 5

Multiple fairytale weddings? RH's Todd had 8 weddings. TSJ's Todd had 5

Well, let's be fair to both women. Neither of their first weddings to Todd were a fairy tale. And Todd and Tea's vows last summer(?) were no picnic. A wedding ceremony in and of itself does not equal a fairy tale. And with the exception of 1995 I never really liked any of those big lush ceremonies. 2007 was okay, but that was because it was very casual and they didn't pretend it was a big deal or the greatest love of all. I hated 2001. And last fall's thing, and 2009, which was humiliating for Tea. And the less said about the glass coffin the better.

Edited August 5, 201114 yr by Vee

Well, let's be fair to both women. Neither of their first weddings to Todd were a fairy tale. And Todd and Tea's vows last summer(?) were no picnic. A wedding ceremony in and of itself does not equal a fairy tale. And with the exception of 1995 I never really liked any of those big lush ceremonies. 2007 was okay, but that was because it was very casual and they didn't pretend it was a big deal or the greatest love of all. I hated 2001. And last fall's thing, and 2009, which was humiliating for Tea. And the less said about the glass coffin the better.

Okay then I guess I fail to understand your purpose with bringing up fairytale wedding. What fairytale weddings are you referring to?

Ugh please recast Jack, the actor is AWFUL

TSJTodd is better!!! NO!!! RHTodd is better!!! NUH UH!! YEAH!!! NOOO!!!! *sticks up middle finger*

Is it really worth it? I'm just enjoying this storyline right now - maybe it's because I like both Todds and I don't really care who turns out to be the real Todd or who gets Blair or Téa.

Also, please don't post links to youtube channels that uploads full episodes!!! You gotta be sneakier than that! Use the PM!

Ugh please recast Jack, the actor is AWFUL

Haha, Im finally starting to like him

Okay then I guess I fail to understand your purpose with bringing up fairytale wedding. What fairytale weddings are you referring to?

I'm talking about the super-sappy weddings post-rapemance, where it was treated like a legitimate fantasy life.

TSJTodd is better!!! NO!!! RHTodd is better!!! NUH UH!! YEAH!!! NOOO!!!! *sticks up middle finger*

Is it really worth it? I'm just enjoying this storyline right now - maybe it's because I like both Todds and I don't really care who turns out to be the real Todd or who gets Blair or Téa.

Also, please don't post links to youtube channels that uploads full episodes!!! You gotta be sneakier than that! Use the PM!

It's obvious with the spoilers who is the real Todd...there is no mystery there.

He wanted to get to the gala and confront TSJ and find his family. He didn't really have the time to go all Hostel.

As for Baker, you sound like RC defending his silly plot point. He could have confronted his family the last 2 months of stalking but didn't.

The reality is this was the FIRST time he had Baker under his power. Here is the man who tortured him for 8 long years and moreover who holds ALL the answers and he ho hum just leaves him tied up. Todd would have grilled Baker and at least swung a few punches at him.

You think I take glee in a woman being punched in the face? By virtue of my not policing a thread 24 hours a day? I don't even know which posts you're referring to.

My point was clean up your own home first before blaming it all on ABC. Fans who beg with gleeful anticipation over seeing a man punch a woman or celebrate it by playing it over and over in clips are the misogynists ABC caters to.

If your definition of "Todd Manning" is simply a physically vengeful rageaholic who acts purely on impulse, we have a very different view of the character these last 18 years or so.

If that is what you got from my posts, then you got it wrong.

RC ignored or forgot that Todd has a hair trigger temper and CAPTIVITY stresses his temper badly as he can't stand ot be restrained in any way.

RH's most famous scenes are of a raging Todd. It's not RH's fault, it's RC's writing. He's not giving him any dark chilling moments to match the infamous, chill inducing dark music.

TSJ's Todd raped a woman and laughed about it.

Um, so did RH's Todd. And though he later showed remorse, that remorse didn't stop him from wrecking his victim's life in 1997.

TSJ at least stopped Tomas's plot to imprison Marty forever and insisted she deserved better so at least this time he helped her get her HEA with Patrick.

I'm talking about the super-sappy weddings post-rapemance, where it was treated like a legitimate fantasy life.

He's only had 2 weddings post-rapemance, both of which you denounced as not being fairytales