Thanks for all the feedback about Cliff and Nina.  I loved Palmer and have watched everything I could find of him being menacing.  And Nina is just a stunning lady. But I am immune to the charms of PB.

Flashback to that time Tom hit Travis over the head with a barbell

 

5 hours ago, titan1978 said:

Thanks for all the feedback about Cliff and Nina.  I loved Palmer and have watched everything I could find of him being menacing.  And Nina is just a stunning lady. But I am immune to the charms of PB.

Did you watch the Nina's birthday episodes that Eric posted? The ones from 1980. Palmer and his Dobermans. If not, those are good ones to watch. There's also when Palmer takes Adam's entire fortune right out from under him, during the masked ball.

I never want to piss Richard Shoberg off.

On 2/27/2021 at 10:04 PM, All My Shadows said:

Cliff and Nina were absolutely played tf out by 1986-1987 for SURE. They're a great example of overdoing the make up/break up storylines for a supercouple and having no idea what to do with them as happily married.

I'd kill to see their beginnings to see how the magic began, because based solely on all I've seen from 1983-1989, I've never been crazy about them.

This!!!  They definitely were played out.
 

18 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

I think Nina could have carried on as a character separate from Cliff.  

 

Anytime I watched her in scenes in 1986 to 1989 with others..she was so likable and contributed a lot.  Plus, with all the dramas with the Corlandt's in the 90s..she would have had a reason to visit more often.

 

Vintage AMC has been good with uploading episodes from the late 80s...and by 1987..the cast was pretty bloated..yet it fit with the show because AMC was always about community.  

 

 

I always wanted to see Nina get more into Cortlandt business. I don’t understand her not being brought back even just for small stints. 
 

Let’s say she stayed long term in 95, who  would you pair her with? Maybe test her with Jack anything to get him away from Erica. imagine Nina and Tad having affair?Or even having her fall for her bestie(Brooke) Fiancé Edmund?!  I live for scandalous stories like that! Why not test her morals have her be the spoiler for once. 
 

18 hours ago, gimmetoo said:

So much of Cliff and Nina's original popularity was because of the rich characters and talented actors in their orbit:  the disapproving and scheming Palmer; the mysterious mother-figure Monique née Daisy: the gothic grandmotherly housekeeper Myra; and the wicked other woman Sybil.  And I do think Taylor Miller was perfectly cast as the fairy-tale heroine.  The start of Cliff and Nina's romance was some of Agnes Nixon's best work IMO.  

Accurate. It was all those ingredients that made you root for them. Palmer was the selling point for me. @titan1978 and don’t fell alone I was never a fan of the piece of wood that is known as Peter Bergman.

 

On 2/27/2021 at 10:04 PM, All My Shadows said:

18 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

18 hours ago, gimmetoo said:

On 2/27/2021 at 10:04 PM, All My Shadows said:

18 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

18 hours ago, gimmetoo said:

On 2/27/2021 at 10:04 PM, All My Shadows said:

18 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

 

 

18 hours ago, gimmetoo said:

On 2/27/2021 at 10:04 PM, All My Shadows said:

18 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

 

18 hours ago, gimmetoo said:

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On 2/28/2021 at 3:04 PM, All My Shadows said:

Cliff and Nina were absolutely played tf out by 1986-1987 for SURE. They're a great example of overdoing the make up/break up storylines for a supercouple and having no idea what to do with them as happily married.

I'd kill to see their beginnings to see how the magic began, because based solely on all I've seen from 1983-1989, I've never been crazy about them.

One reason for that was the story choices for C&N.

They came on in 79 and were married by the end of 80. So within a short amount of time they were already in the 'happily married' phase. 

Then by killing Sybil off, they were robbed of a long term antagonist.

Having Nina go into business and the affair with Steve was a good move, but ended with them being reunited and Nina returning to her passive state.

When Taylor left they decided to recast, which didn't work out - twice!

And Cliff needed a family from the get go - a parent(s) to provide more conflict. Bergman was originally going to be Jeff Martin, so that would have given him that family.

Then it became divorce/remarriage cycle. Throw in amnesia and breakdowns.

 

9 hours ago, ghfan89 said:

Flashback to that time Tom hit Travis over the head with a barbell

 

Did you watch the Nina's birthday episodes that Eric posted? The ones from 1980. Palmer and his Dobermans. If not, those are good ones to watch. There's also when Palmer takes Adam's entire fortune right out from under him, during the masked ball.

I’ve seen the Doberman scene several times.  Palmer can be so nasty!

https://archive.org/details/all-my-children-february-24-1994

 

https://archive.org/details/all-my-children-february-28-1994

 

https://archive.org/details/all-my-children-march-2-1994-most

 

https://archive.org/details/all-my-children-february-21-1992

 

https://archive.org/details/all-my-children-february-6-1990

22 hours ago, ghfan89 said:

Flashback to that time Tom hit Travis over the head with a barbell

 

 

Um ok....

1) What was Charlie wearing?

2) Tom always scared the [!@#$%^&*] out of me when he got angry and his eyes got big, like he was possessed.

 

14 hours ago, cassistan said:

Let’s say she stayed long term in 95, who  would you pair her with? Maybe test her with Jack anything to get him away from Erica. imagine Nina and Tad having affair?Or even having her fall for her bestie(Brooke) Fiancé Edmund?!  I live for scandalous stories like that! Why not test her morals have her be the spoiler for once. 

 

I think Nina coming back solo would not have worked. I think the viewers were so heavily invested in Cliff and Nina as a couple that to just have her return on her own with them having broken up off screen would be unsatisfying. The viewers would have been dissatisfied with her next story.  Had she come back with Cliff and broken up on screen and he left the canvas, then I think the audience would be more accepting. 

 

 

Edited March 2, 20214 yr by Jonathan

Who can forget Tom and Erica's "disco deceit!"

Susan Pratt is a good actress but she seemed to have a long history of playing annoying characters who had very vocal hatred from the audience. I remember when she briefly returned to AMC in 1997 to make sure Erica knew she couldn't contact Bianca (post-babynapping) and Soap Opera Weekly got angry letters from fans saying she had killed Laura. 

I remember Taylor Miller pushing for the idea of a Nina and Adam pairing when she returned in the mid-90's.

5 hours ago, Vee said:

Who can forget Tom and Erica's "disco deceit!"

Truly one of AMC’s most iconic and daytime’s most underrated scenes. “Because it SEEMS to be the ONLY WAY to get the TROOF OTTA YOU!!!”

 

Cliff and Nina - I can take or leave them. But give me the complete Tom/Erica journey, and my heart is yours. I would be so satisfied with a streaming service starting with the first hour episode from 4/25/77 and just going in order.

4 minutes ago, All My Shadows said:

Truly one of AMC’s most iconic and daytime’s most underrated scenes. “Because it SEEMS to be the ONLY WAY to get the TROOF OTTA YOU!!!”

 

I have a lot of time for ol' Tom but there's some classic camp in his oeuvre. @Darn and I cracked up at a '92(?) episode where Tom has to tell Derek or someone about Terrence getting beaten up and immediately starts vamping - "it was race hate! White hate!!" Great social issue, of course, but a bit arch!

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13 hours ago, ghfan89 said:

I remember Taylor Miller pushing for the idea of a Nina and Adam pairing when she returned in the mid-90's.

This sounds awesome to me, I have never thought about them together before, but might’ve worked just off from their families history. These are the type of stories I watch for, miss me with the lovey dovey Disney fairytales.

 

@Jonathan Okay, I have no problem with recasting Cliff for a short arc so Nina can get her life in Pine Valley without Cliff. 
 

 

I wish someone would post the Kitty/Kelly storyline. Also, I wanna see Jesse Brother causing trouble for the hubbards.

Edited March 2, 20214 yr by cassistan

I've love to see the Claudette character...at least when she came back in 1977...to see her mixing it up as a vixen up