Members EricMontreal22 Posted March 16, 2011 Members Share Posted March 16, 2011 And ironically the most like 1970s AMC (though you do get glimpses of some classic Marland elements too). There's that terrific episode from 1985 on youtube where nothign major happens, but it's just solid soap. Agnes remained friends with marland till his end, it seems, so I dunno what happened. It was per his request (some have said that when he left, he didn't really feel he had created it as much since he came to the project after it had largely been sketched out by Nixon and Wakefield). Marland was also pretty busy around this time--his Showtime cable soap New Day in Eden was around the same time I think--and I think he was asked to do ATWT while at LOV, which he prob saw as a better opportunity (also it was a show he was familiar with). Exactly. Schemering comments on this in his Soap Encyclopedia when it was still a new show (as a soap fan, he of course sees this as a hugely refreshing change, particularly when even AMC was starting to move into the 80s theme for soaps). FOr various reasons too Loving never really got the recognition for dealing so early on with AIDS, their gro8undbreaking incest storyline, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted March 16, 2011 Members Share Posted March 16, 2011 Would Bell have done a soap for another network? I know it's not unheard of, but it just would have seemed odd to me (remember too he was VERY busy with Y&R right at this time trying to get it back up after a brief dip in the ratings when it was restructured). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted March 16, 2011 Members Share Posted March 16, 2011 LOL no surprise to anyone here, but I think she's loively in the interview. The interviewerer (Marlena Delacroix, no less lol) asks some DUMB questions and misses the point with some bits, but I think Agnes is pretty patient. LOL. But maybe I cut her too much slack--it is at least an interesting interview ounlike Bell's which is hard to sit through because of the way he talks. That said Agnes suffers, as does Susan Lucci (which is why I'll never buy her memoirs) from being too... Nice? Proper? She doesn't want to ruffle feathers. It's obvious from the interview and all we know that she had issue with the creator of Search for Tomorrow (Roy Winsor?)--a show she wrote the first 13 weeks of, for example but she'd rather say nothing than not say anything nice. So there's absolutely no juicy stories there, and we never find out about specifics with Loving, etc. That said, the Lily incest story seems to have been as much her idea as Marland's to pick one example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted March 16, 2011 Members Share Posted March 16, 2011 Me tooo. I hated how Cooper pretty much didnt get much love in favor of the show's new pet, Casey at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted March 16, 2011 Members Share Posted March 16, 2011 I loved Cooper too--I always forget he kinda went on to be a (sorta known) TV star. Loved Cooper and Steffi (Heinle back when I liked her ). Actually I quite liked the young teen/college scene around that time, and like I said I thought Nixon's return as HW in 94 was GREAT (even the bizarro gothic stuff she likes to do--in this case Dante having Curtis his "pet" in a cage lol, and comic stories like the Alden patriarch popping up in disguise as a worker), as well as B/E's stuff of course the next year with the Murders (who'd have thought they'd go on to be one of the least liked HW teams...)( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Khan Posted March 16, 2011 Members Share Posted March 16, 2011 If the deal were tempting enough, I think he would have, sure. Of course, it would have been understood that he still kept watch, if you will, over Y&R, even if it meant handing off the daily HW'ing chores to someone like Kay Alden or Jerry Birn. Remember, too, we're talking about before B&B, and at that time, Bell was looking for the opportunity to work more with his family and groom them to continue on with the "family business," so this would have been the chance to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted March 17, 2011 Members Share Posted March 17, 2011 Right, but I always thought one reason CBS gave Capitol's slot to B&B was they were so eager and anxious to keep Bell on their network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Khan Posted March 17, 2011 Members Share Posted March 17, 2011 Yeah, they were eager to keep Bell in the fold...in 1987. But we're talking 1982/1983, and at that point, "Capitol" was new-ish, and CBS really had no room for another soap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted March 18, 2011 Members Share Posted March 18, 2011 And Bell was so busy still restructuring Y&R that he would have had no time either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lust4Life76 Posted March 18, 2011 Author Members Share Posted March 18, 2011 Well, there again, and I am only engaging friendly banter is another way how LOVING was AMC...Palmer got caught at the chicken shack before Cabot was found flipping omelettes on the short order grill...So yeah, Chicken before the Egg... Also wasn't there a storyline where the college set...Cooper, Ally, Casey, Hannah, Steffi, Kent and Staige all went to a mansion on the outskirts of Cornith to make it over as a fraternity or something and they held a late night seance with a ouija board and Ally became possessed (not like Marlena on Days, but to some effect)? Also, remember the character of Janie played by I think Alise Neal? She was soooo cool, and then they wrote her off it was like...NOOOO she is actually a good find and looked good with Frankie Hubbard. Also I love how Frankie rapidly aged, then came back to AMC and was still the same age as he was in the 90's. I also hate how they just brought Jesse back from the dead on AMC, but got rid of Jacob his doppelganger from LOVING/THE CITY. I always that was a mistake. Erik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Max Posted September 20, 2011 Members Share Posted September 20, 2011 Regardless of how you feel about Loving from a qualitative standpoint, ABC kept this show on the air far longer than its ratings merited. I believe that Loving would have been cancelled far earlier if it was created by somebody other than Nixon, just like Passions would have been cancelled far earlier if it was created by somebody other than Reilly. ABC and NBC wanted to show their gratitude to each show's creator (for their past successes), and thus were much more reluctant to pull the plug when it became apparent that neither soap would have the potential to become a major hit (or even be able to rise into the middle tier of the ratings). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted September 20, 2011 Members Share Posted September 20, 2011 I don't think it was down to loyalty to Agnes. For a while, the ratings were OK. Then the show was on at a time when the ABC network was doing well. When the lineup began faltering, they had bigger problems to focus on (mainly saving GH). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John Posted September 20, 2011 Members Share Posted September 20, 2011 Wait So Angie & Frankie appeared On AMC in 93 before going To LOVING? How Long was their Visit & What Brought them to LOVING? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SFK Posted September 20, 2011 Members Share Posted September 20, 2011 I don't think so John. Maybe, but I don't remember that. The first time I saw Angie back, it was on Loving and she and Frankie and Pat were unpacking in the new house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted September 21, 2011 Members Share Posted September 21, 2011 She didn't appear on AMC before crossing over to Loving, which confused me to no end. I have the feeling many AMC and Angie fans probably had no clue that she was on Loving at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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