I bought the Worlds Without End book. Not sure what I did with it. That was the first time I read a lot about radio soaps and about the quippy putdown articles Thurber wrote on them. I think that was also where I first read about the things like a person writing in a letter to a soap wife telling her that her husband was cheating on her (the actor did a voice on another radio soap).

The Worlds Without End coffee table book is one of my fave. They also have interesting peices about foreign soaps, issues in soaps (they discuss how at the time AMC was the top soap among gay men and that was one reason they went with the Michael storyline), etc.

It's kind of interesting how Ford's "punishment" always comes in the form of physical violence, which really isn't all that satisfying though perhaps it's meant to be on a visceral level? All of the manipulative emotional pain caused by Mommy and Daddy stuff I just won't buy, so it's all pretty lose-lose with me in terms of this guy getting his just deserts. It seems kind of lazy to "put him in his place" by having the [!@#$%^&*] kicked out of him once every few months. He needs to be told off, emotionally dressed down (no pun intended ) but the only character who gets to do that type of thing is Destiny and she isn't right for the job.

It just reinforces how hollow these men are. This is the same as having Todd beat up a few times a year to make us weep for him.

Some of this is seriously comical.

Starr needs to hit her upside the head with that shovel.

Tea & Blair are funny.

Oh and I'm waiting for Natalie to pry into what Marty was saying on the phone so she in return can find out about Natalie's WTD dilemma.

Edited October 28, 201015 yr by London

Oh my Lord, those drunken Halloween kids, wtf? I'm sorry, I don't care if she has a gun in her hand that she can barely keep a grip of, Starr and James could totally rush her with those shovels and take one straight to her dome. She'll drop the baby.

Edited October 28, 201015 yr by SFK

It just reinforces how hollow these men are. This is the same as having Todd beat up a few times a year to make us weep for him.

And by "men" I assume you're including RC and FV.

Oh my GAHD, no this trick did not just pistol whip James and take him out in ONE blow. I HATE IT WHEN CHARACTERS SUCK AT FIGHTING BACK!!

I am LMAO over here, James has even got the gimp arm/hand thing going, that had to have been an in-joke.

Edited October 28, 201015 yr by SFK

I think the Hannah/Starr/James scenes were meant as gothic horror, but Roscoe Bourne they ain't. He could have pulled off that dig your own graves scene but not MF, KA and NR.

But the whole episode I was just screaming at my TV get on with TnT reunion and THAT was a great payoff moment. Too rare does ABC soap deliver a really GREAT emotional payoff cliffhanger like that. That was well-done.

Edited October 29, 201015 yr by TeamEric

The always intriguing McBains...so intriguing I can't remember the names of the mother or sister. Michael was intriguing though -- especially when Nate or Chris Stack wore tight trousers.

What McBain family? There is only one McBain in town anymore. The rest went by way of the firing squad.

Mother Eve McBain - first played by Lisa Banes and then Lisby Larson

Cousin Shannon McBain - played by Daneell Harris

Michael McBain - played by Nathanial Marston and then Chris Stack

Marcie McBain - played by Kathy Brier

and baby Gabriel McBain - saw him once after he was born

I never knew Lisby Larson was on OLTL.

You see -- they're intriguing after all.

I never knew Lisby Larson was on OLTL.

Yep! Love her and loved her short stint. Loved her best as Paige on Texas though. I wish they'd bring her back and bring Carla Borelli along with her.

Yep! Love her and loved her short stint. Loved her best as Paige on Texas though. I wish they'd bring her back and bring Carla Borelli along with her.

Lisby played Eve for a short time leading up to and then at John's "funeral".

Starr is such an idiot. Why didnt she wrestle the bitch when she had the chance and let James go for the gun?

Ugh, I didnt like that John told Todd Tea was alive. I wanted it to be a complete surprisewhen he saw her

All I remember about Eve McBain #2 is I thought she looked like a Muppet in a giant blonde fright wig. I was pretty much boycotting the show at the time.

Eve #1 was brought on to minor fanfare - one of the first "look! We hired a stage actress!" bits they've done in the last ten years, as if OLTL and other East Coast soaps haven't been hiring theatre actors since time immemoriam - but I called her Scary Death Lady, because that was what she was. After all this talk about John and Michael's rough and tumble youth in Atlantic City, here comes this Lady Of The Theatre in shawls and gowns, intoning purposefully in every scene in the most solemn terms. Then she started singing at Capricorn and it was like Judy Collins with a side of Bauhaus, just these shadowy, creepy musical numbers. And because RSW and/or Bo still seemed to be in his No Nora phase, we had to endure a brief flirtation subplot between Bo and this terrifying woman. Bo would sit in the club like, "yes, this is enthralling, I'm into it." Thank God it went nowhere.

The relationship Eve had with John always struck me as frankly incestuous. That's the one thing I'd do with John's character, reveal that his home life was far from squeaky clean.

Edited October 29, 201015 yr by Vee

OMG Kristen Alderson can't cry worth a damn. That last scene was AWFUL.

Can we keep Hannah and get rid of Starr?