Now honey, I was willing to eat a little crow in my post above... now you try it. If you put a ton of ketchup on it, you can get it down.

Edited March 14, 201015 yr by alphanguy74

Oh again another thing I gave Sweet Valley High her chance to prove that she's Dru daughter. they said Dru was having an hard time raising Lily. Lily was hanging around rough kids from the roughest part in Paris. CKLily wouldn't have stop to ask these roughest kids any direction. Anybody seen the movie ATL that how I picture Lily being. Not how waterdown CK plays Lily.

Edited March 14, 201015 yr by MoTheGreat

Now honey, I was willing to eat a little crow in my post above... now you try it.

Nope.

This is about you being wrong.

Again.

Edited March 14, 201015 yr by DeeeDee

I think the show has had some lulls in my time as a viewer. 1996-1997 were very uneven, and I think the first few years of last decade were all over the place. It's just that in those years I still felt like the show was Y&R. I don't see that now. They've taken away everything that made the show what it was. The show had such a distinct identity, and yet I feel the people in charge of Y&R now are actively ashamed of that identity. They only seem to think Y&R's identity means Victor is Macho Man Randy Savage or that everyone loves Katherine.

They've taken away everything that made the show what it was.

And replaced it with garbage.

I think the show has had some lulls in my time as a viewer. 1996-1997 were very uneven, and I think the first few years of last decade were all over the place. It's just that in those years I still felt like the show was Y&R. I don't see that now. They've taken away everything that made the show what it was. The show had such a distinct identity, and yet I feel the people in charge of Y&R now are actively ashamed of that identity. They only seem to think Y&R's identity means Victor is Macho Man Randy Savage or that everyone loves Katherine.

I'd agree wiht that, Carl.. and 80 percent of the difference is pacing, casting, lighting, and camera work.

At this point, no one would care about the lighting and camera work if the writing and stories were good. Can anyone explain why we're getting ANOTHER doppelganger, and why this show has been overloaded in this short period of time with cartoon psychos and stupid and weak women? This is just lazy and bad storytelling.

Edited March 15, 201015 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

And replaced it with garbage.

+1 and the heap just keeps getting bigger with every passing move.

Edited March 15, 201015 yr by Adam

+1 and the heap just keeps getting bigger with every passing move.

And that's what's really sad.

Y&R WANTS to be GL when it doesn't have to be.

And that's what's really sad.

Y&R WANTS to be GL when it doesn't have to be.

Y&R I think is determined to be ANYTHING but itself. I've watched this show for over 15 years and I don't see anything of the Bell vision in it anymore... its so sad. I am ALMOST ready to say Latham would be a step up at this point

Y&R I think is determined to be ANYTHING but itself. I've watched this show for over 15 years and I don't see anything of the Bell vision in it anymore... its so sad. I am ALMOST ready to say Latham would be a step up at this point

Exactly.

But a check is a check.

oh, please.

victoria rowell has had to fight for any ounce of dignity for black actors on y&r? are you kidding me? i have a feeling black actors on y&r might have a problem with that description. victoria rowell fights for HERSELF, not for anyone else. she cares about HERSELF, not anyone else.

by the way, the writing on y&r isn't perfect, but it is NOT terrible. in fact, the show has been on fire for the past month. casting problems? no more than any other show. production problems? sorry, but i think the show looks fine. all the y&r bashing is really over-the-top. i wouldn't watch a show i thought had bad writing, a lousy cast, looked awful, and practiced discrimination.

+1

Umm regardless of if you feel she's self motivated, and she maybe moreso, but her work and her voice have gotten results. We see when she's not there the Winters are on life support. So what ever motivation anyone wants to argue she had, she apparently got some sort of results

Umm regardless of if you feel she's self motivated, and she maybe moreso, but her work and her voice have gotten results. We see when she's not there the Winters are on life support. So what ever motivation anyone wants to argue she had, she apparently got some sort of results

rowell's work and her voice have gotten results??? are you kidding me??? WHAT results???

she's been OFF the show for almost THREE YEARS, and since then she's done nothing but trash y&r actors, trash y&r execs, feed her fawning fans with her diva act, and grovel for her old job back as dru.

the woman spends most of her day talking about y&r, for god's sake -- with no results. why? because she so badly burned the bridges. you'd thing VR would be EMBARRASSED to act this way. i feel like she's starring in her own version of SUNSET BOULEVARD.

and by the way, if davetta sherwood was so good as lily, why hasn't she done much of anything since y&r let her go? her resume looks AWFULLY thin to me. or is it now time to blame y&r for ruining her reputation and chance in the business?

for that matter, victoria rowell hasn't exactly burned up the screen since she "left" y&r.

and by the way, if davetta sherwood was so good as lily, why hasn't she done much of anything since y&r let her go? her resume looks AWFULLY thin to me. or is it now time to blame y&r for ruining her reputation and chance in the business?

for that matter, victoria rowell hasn't exactly burned up the screen since she "left" y&r.

There are lots of talented people, of all races, who don't get roles and fade out of the spotlight.

I don't think Y&R had anything to do with Davetta's lack of IMDB credits. There are very limited roles for African-American females in TV and Films(yes, even in those dreadful Tyler Perry/Madea films), coupled with how difficult it is for lighting to strike twice for everyone and the economy cutting back on film/TV productions.

There are lots of good actors/actresses who were one soap wonders and were never seen again. That doesn't make them any less talented.