Are the Y&R HWs gonna snatch these petty fights people have over whether Tammin and Christel are good actresses or not too? They done stole everything else off of here. At least this has some passion embedded in its core.

Probably not. They'll believe those SOC/CBS forum folks and think Christel and Tammin are the epitome of good acting. I don't know how this keeps going past Rauch. He's probably being shushed by Maria.

Edited August 28, 200916 yr by dmarex

Probably not. They'll believe those SOC/CBS forum folks and think Christel and Tammin are the epitome of good acting. I don't know how this keeps going past Rauch. He's probably being shushed by Maria.

I was thinking that just because posters here don't like them doesn't mean posters on another board don't like them. I can go to other boards and the opinions are different as night and day. People can complain about Christel all they want, they won't get rid of her she's popular. Even Tammin is gaining some popularity with making bitchy remarks at Victoria, which I don't get since she did the same thing with Amber. The only difference is people wanted Damber together and want Jtoria to break up. People hated Victor and Victoria so much that people were just happy that someone told them off, even if it was Colleen. All this talks seems pointless that the character won't be here much longer.

Edited August 28, 200916 yr by lovely_m

They'll believe those SOC/CBS forum folks

As a regular SOC poster, I'm insulted that you would even compare SOC to the CBS board.

and think Christel and Tammin are the epitome of good acting.

They are!

As a regular SOC poster, I'm insulted that you would even compare SOC to the CBS board.

From what I've heard, they're removing posts which I absolutely hate. Freedom of speech is not allowed unless you're praising the people I tend to dislike.

They are!

It's a good thing you put up a smiley because I was thinking you were serious. Not on this show. Never on this show.

From what I've heard, they're removing posts which I absolutely hate. Freedom of speech is not allowed unless you're praising the people I tend to dislike.

Not true. They let you like or dislike whoever you want as long as you don't get too nasty about it. SOC is much more civilized than CBS or Sony.

It's a good thing you put up a smiley because I was thinking you were serious. Not on this show. Never on this show.

Obviously they're not Michelle Stafford or Eileen Davidson or Jess Walton. But I think they're the best in their age group.

They're the ONLY ones in that age group, along with Emily O'Brien, who I think puts them both to shame. It's a shame Jana is such a useless character though, but I can't say Lily and "Colleen" are written any better.

Obviously they're not Michelle Stafford or Eileen Davidson or Jess Walton. But I think they're the best in their age group.

Good for you. They're at the very bottom of mine. Deep, deeeep down.

Edited August 29, 200916 yr by dmarex

They're the ONLY ones in that age group, along with Emily O'Brien, who I think puts them both to shame. It's a shame Jana is such a useless character though, but I can't say Lily and "Colleen" are written any better.

ICAM. I love EOB, but you're right about "Jana". CK and TS should take lessons on their profession from EOB.

I was thinking that just because posters here don't like them doesn't mean posters on another board don't like them.

Imagine that.

Someone at Youtube has been kind enough to post various clips of OLTL during the Rauch years (1984-1991). Many of them are quite entertaining, some because they're good and others because they are like junk food, and they're all more watchable than Y&R is now. But one thing that I keep seeing is generic psychos, especially male psychos, terrorizing women, brutalizing them, beating them, raping them.

Y&R does not go quite this far but I think you truly can see the intense hatred of women which a producer like Rauch can bring to a show, although Sheffer's woman hatred also carries over to his all his soaps.

The Austin Buchanan clips, which are quite jarring, probably due to the work from the actor who plays Austin:

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=VickRobCal&view=videos&query=austin

Edited August 30, 200916 yr by CarlD2

Someone at Youtube has been kind enough to post various clips of OLTL during the Rauch years (1984-1991). Many of them are quite entertaining, some because they're good and others because they are like junk food, and they're all more watchable than Y&R is now. But one thing that I keep seeing is generic psychos, especially male psychos, terrorizing women, brutalizing them, beating them, raping them.

Wow, I'd never seen that scene with Michael Grande graphically and sadistically beating and strangling Gabrielle. That was pretty disgusting. And actually some of the YouTube posters were cheering it on in the comments section.

This stuff is such ridiculous camp I can see why people might enjoy it, I'm just curious as to the mindset of Rauch that he has such brutality against women on some of his soaps. The material with Austin especially bothered me, because the actor who played him is so convincing, and also because I think he looks like the new Adam.

Imagine that.

That "story" would've NEVER happened if they were white.

I have to disagree with you on this one, Dee Dee. First of all, Rowell once again doesn't get her facts straight, Tyra didn't sleep with her FOSTER CHILD, she slept with someone she at one time thought was her Nephew, so it didn't bedirty her precious foster child SL like she claims. I think it's stupid, too... just like the OTHER times Bill Bell pulled out incest or quasi-incest... Jill getting impregnated by her stepson, Lorie and Mark Henderson, Cricket and Scott Grainger.. half siblings swapping spit. The only difference is those times, they didn't know they were related at first... this time it's exaclty opposite, they thought they were... but found out they weren't. I've heard bellyaching time and time again that the black characters on this show didn't get treated the same as the white characters, well... the last 4 incest SL's were all white characters, don't ya think it's time for equal opporotunity? Fans wanted the Winters to be treated the same.... well, ask and ye shall receive. Seems like lately, the bad SL's know no bounds of color, age, or sexual orientation.

Edited August 31, 200916 yr by alphanguy74

First of all, Rowell once again doesn't get her facts straight, Tyra didn't sleep with her FOSTER CHILD, she slept with someone she at one time thought was her Nephew, so it didn't bedirty her precious foster child SL like she claims.

Facts Schmacts.

The kid drooled over & slept with the woman he believed to be his blood kin almost IMMEDIATELY after she told him they weren't related.

All the "facts" in the world doesn't make it gross or any less damaging to the foster child story.

The only difference is those times, they didn't know they were related at first...

Eh.

Jack/Jill were NOT incest & NONE of the others knew they were related & after they did any romantic relationship was over.

I've heard bellyaching time and time again that the black characters on this show didn't get treated the same as the white characters,

They don't.

the last 4 incest SL's were all white characters, don't ya think it's time for equal opporotunity?

Advocating incest as equal opportunity storytelling?

Really?

Fans wanted the Winters to be treated the same.... well, ask and ye shall receive.

No.

Things will be "equal" when Gloria skeets in Kevin's mouth two months after finding out they're not related.

Edited August 31, 200916 yr by DeeeDee