Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 This supposed baby switch is another thing viewers would have to let go of any intelligence for. Not only are the timelines off, but from spoilers, we learn that is that father, so why would Mary Jane care? This show requires too much suspension of disbelief lately. As someone who has seen Sheffer and Hamner's wrting on other shows, I can blame them for much of the crap on this show right now. But MAB deserves the most blame, she enables it to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cashton Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 That's where you and I differ - i don't think 25% of what happens on soaps period is believable or would (not could) happen IRL. But it's the characters, actors, production and execution of said stories that separates how it's done on Y&R from how it's done on say AMC. There's a gravitas that makes it all the more interesting and appealing to watch - for me. You're right it's "subjective". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Juliajms Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 I think CF is growing into the role. I just hope the role isn't changed for any reason. I was very glad that Chloe/Raul interrupted her and Billy today. I love Mac, but I think she's the type of character that should be supporting for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lmfan Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 Well, where do you think the fetus went? We saw Adam burning Ashley's nightgown and the towel covered "in all that blood" in the fireplace. He would need to get rid of any evidence very quickly. ED said there is no fetus still in Ashley so they don't have to deal with infection, so therefore it doesn't take much to reason Adam burned the fetus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cara mia Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 I think it's provocative because a man is doing this her as means to get back at other men. Ashley, the woman, is not even the intended target -- she's collateral damage. It's actually the very height of misogyny, akin to what happens in the Sudan when the northern Sudanese rape the southern Sudanese women as a means to humiliate the southern Sudanese men. (Or you can use the example of what Serbian men did to Bosnian women in the war.) The women are not the object of the punishment. They don't even register as being worthy of engagement on that level. They are simply seen as extension of the real enemy, i.e. property, and targeted thus. For these men, hurting the women of their enemy is like burning their fields or their homes. Adam cleaned up the "mess" and Ashley's clothes and threw in the fireplace. ED's comments clarified that Ash is not carrying the fetus anymore -- ergo it was expelled when Ash fell and was among the "mess" that Adam burned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lmfan Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 But there is suspension of belief (which we all do when we watch soaps) and then there are storylines that are simply offensive to many. The gaslighting was interesting to me until Ashley fell down those stairs and lost her baby and Adam covered it up. That is when it crossed the line from being entertaining and creepy to being disgusting for me, and I imagine many viewers, and it wasn't necessary to write that aspect of the story. They could have done the baby switch at the time of delivery. Was it for shock? To make the story even more disturbing? Why? What purpose does it serve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Juliajms Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 To me, it's just that one person is doing it to another. It's disturbing to say the least. I'd feel differently if Ashely were the crazy one doing it to herself in an effort to keep Victor. It would still be messed up, but it would just be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 Exactly! BAM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 Adam is permanently ruined now I so don't trust this writing regime to write a compelling redemption arc that will last years. I fully expect the Who Killed Adam murder mystery to happen by November sweeps. This show is disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cashton Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 OIC - well it's not like they showed it or even referred to it. They left it to the imagination. This is the setup for a longterm umbrella story - I can sense it. Cara mia called it! I expect Y&R to craft something big, twisty. i also expect Y&R to do something provocative. Look - when you're competing with cable, gritty news, and even prime time which has upped the ante so much in terms of shock and realism - and hell reality shows! Y&R has to stay relevant. it doesn't have the luxury of being one of 4 options for most Americans to watch. Some don't agree with it and i get it, but it was necessary for Y&R to survive. The long, slow pace of the old days just won't cut it. And MAB has blended the electricity of the history of the show with the current pace and tone of dramatic serials like Desperate Housewives and Grey's Anatomy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 I don't get this relevant argument. Up until Jack Smith was ousted in 2006, Y&R told the types of slow paced stories it had always told, and the show was still #1 and had higher ratings. That wasn't even that long ago. Sad, but at this point, I'd welcome Smith back, though he had his problems, I'd take him over LML and what we have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cara mia Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 Some people like shock and gore and all that. And you know what? Good for them. There's a place for all tastes. My issue that Y&R's audience is not made up of 12-year old boys who like to be grossed out. Cause if you REALLY like being grossed out, you're not watching Y&R, you're renting Hostel. It's about knowing your audience. This is not vintage Y&R. It's something of nadir as far as moral taste is concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Juliajms Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 I'm not under the impression that they are interested in doing that either. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised, but I doubt it. Adam is a character that I've waited YEARS to show up in GC and shake up the show. If they kill him off and the character has been completely wasted in the course of 18 months, I'm going to be extremely PISSED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cashton Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 Y&R is still #1 - but for a while it wasn't buzzed about. Y&R by and large is getting more and more exposure and it's storylines are generating ink and hits on the web. Those numbers can be quantified to the fact that Y&R is the only show to gain viewers this year. Sure LML took a lot of them away, but Y&R is thriving. Maybe grandma isn't liking it but colleges routinely have YAR viewing nights - well one that i know of at least, USC. That's the lifeblood of soaps! New watchers. Look at this thread alone - during sweeps it routinely was getting 50-60 pages. Provocative works and is working. Long term? Who knows. Could backfire! But if you do a twitter search for Y&R - there's thousands of tweets a day about the show. And like I said before - this show does catharsis, reunion and joy so well - that by Christmas i think we'll all be singing its praises with egg nog and cara mia in a Santa Baby suit! That's my prediction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JackPeyton Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 they made Mac pretty and light and bubbly and fun. People hated. They took Mac is being blah plain ordinary kind of bitchy but not in a good soapy way. never can do wrong. and all that other [!@#$%^&*] she was before. fans hated it. Mac just sucks as a character. No mater what. No matter who in the role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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