No wonder you rationalize the hell out of everything on this show, no matter how bad or ludicrous it is.

And 79 sucked!

:lol: :lol:

I must say... I love this anti-cr*p movement in Y&R threads! Absolutely riveting!

And 79 sucked!

Thanks Dee, now we have a worthy opponent to the 79 alliance.

Well, I think I'm done with the non-episode discussion. I didn't get sucked it for a couple of weeks, but for some reason I did today. Bad Toups.

Okay, I'm back to only episode discussion.......the more episode talk the better it is for the thread.

I agree, plus its the same cycle all the time

Some Y&R thoughts:

Could it be that Vanessa Prentiss is still alive? Perhaps she and Cane were involved before he came to Genoa City. Lily and Vanessa fighting over "Ethan"

sounds perfect!

I can no longer watch JackPhyllisNickSharon. Boring and repetetive.

I read a spoiler about Devon that screams B&B.

Mark is the sweetest person here. I mean it. He is a real sweetheart. And this is a not a or a

1979 sounds like a great soap year.

1979 sounds like a great soap year.

Yeah. It does.

But seriously, 1979 was this AMAZING year. As a 14 year old boy, it was total perfection. Suzanne Lynch gaslighting Kay (and drugging her)...Kay going to a sanitarium that burned down and being presumed dead...Kay gaslighting Suzanne (via "haunting") thereafter...Chris Brooks kidnapped by Rose Deville (white slavery ring owner) and almost killed...Liz Foster shot by a mafia hitman that was gunning for her son Greg...the endless Lucas-Lorie-Lance-Leslie quad. It couldn't have been much after that (1980?) that Vanessa Prentiss faked her murder by committing suicide (she had a terminal illness) but first framing hated daughter-in-law Lorie for her swan dive off a balcony. And within a year, Victor Newman came along and put his pregnant wife's lover in a DUNGEON. His pregnant wife, Julia, lost HER baby falling down the same staircase as Ashley!!

MAB is chanelling the Y&R of 30 years ago. It was a time I loved very much. Remember, within two years later, Patty Williams was going crazy, shooting Jack, having amnesia about it...

I actually thought Bill Bell's later years were NOT his strongest. I remembered one of his last major stories being Nikki insta-marrying her GYNECOLOGIST...who promptly had a psycho-stalker wife (there's that darkness again!). But it gave Kay Alden the chance to start with the amazing Victor-Nikki reunion and Diane Jenkins divorce.

Since Mary Jane murders birds she should set her sights on Cane.

I really miss Kevin Schmidt in this slutastic quad storyline.

You got the missing moral basis in that character, Y&RWorldTurner.

Since Mary Jane murders birds she should set her sights on Cane.

She should tie him up and throw him out the window of her suite... which is hopefully on the top floor. Victor ain't a cheapo.

Since Mary Jane murders birds she should set her sights on Cane.

From what I've read, the Y&R that went to an hour was almost a complexly different show from what was there before.

And if 1979 is the only evidence you have out of 36 years of history, I'm not convinced, nor am I impressed.

What I see now, from my experience as a viewer, the storylines going on now are nothing like that what Bell wrote when I was watching during his tenure. These stories do not have the complexity or depth that most of Bell's storylines had. Also, Bill Bell did an amazing job of making his characters sympathetic, I cannot say the same for Maria.

Well, the 60 minute Y&R was only different from the 30 minute in that some characters were phased out, and other brought in, everything else stayed the same. And there's plenty more evidence than just 1979. Like Mark pointed out, the dark SL's continued into 1980 with Victor holding Michael Scott hostage in the basement of the ranch, and then Julia helping him escape, and losing her baby on the same staircase... then in 1981, you had the VERY creepy (And Melody Thomas' favorite) "Crazy Edward" SL, this neighbor of Nikki's who bcame obsessed with her, and sat around and talked to an urn of his mother's ashes all day, all culimnating with him setting their apartment building on fire after he tried to rape Nikki and she rebuffed him, throwing his mother's ashes all over him and bolting from the building. And we also had the Nick Reed SL during this period, where he tried again to sexually assault Nikki and she killed him (I think with a lamp over the head) . You can even carry it into 1984 with Eve Howard and the poisoning of Victor, Eve was VERY dark and creepy (Margret Mason was BRILLIANT) But going back even farther, 1975/76 had MANY dark SL's, not so criminal, but very depressing and psychologically disturbing. Jennifer Brooks cancer diagnosis, the AMAZING Bill Foster euthanasia SL, Kay and her driving Phillip off the cliff, and the twisted one was Leslie's mental breakdown, and her being in an institution where none of her family knew where she was, and was being abused by other patients, I still picture Janice Lynde with that unwashed hair struggling with another "patient" over an orange, cause everyone else stole the rest of her food, and was NOT going to let them get what little was left. I would cry over that. (But I was also only 7 at the time, and it was scary for me) So, I've made my points, and I'm going to try to get back to teh episode discussion. Whoever said Kevin Schmidt should feature more prominently in the Nick/Phyllis/Sharon SL is RIGHT ON, I agree totally.

Edited June 9, 200916 yr by alphanguy74

She should tie him up and throw him out the window of her suite... which is hopefully on the top floor. Victor ain't a cheapo.

:lol: :lol:

Well, the 60 minute Y&R was only different from the 30 minute in that some characters were phased out, and other brought in, everything else stayed the same. And there's plenty more evidence than just 1979. Like Mark pointed out, the dark SL's continued into 1980 with Victor holding Michael Scott hostage in the basement of the ranch, and then Julia helping him escape, and losing her baby on the same staircase... then in 1981, you had the VERY creepy (And Melody Thomas' favorite) "Crazy Edward" SL, this neighbor of Nikki's who bcame obsessed with her, and sat around and talked to an urn of his mother's ashes all day, all culimnating with him setting their apartment building on fire after her tried to rape Nikki and rebuffed him, thorwing his mother's ashes all over him and bolting from the building. And we also had the Nick Reed SL during this period, where he tried again to sexually assault Nikki and she killed him (I think with a lamp over the head) . But going back even farther, 1975/76 had MANY dark SL's, not so criminal, but very depressing and psychologically disturbing. Jennifer Brooks cancer diagnosis, the AMAZING Bill Foster euthanasia SL, Kay and her driving Phillip off the cliff, and the twisted one was Leslie's mental breakdown, and her being in an institution where none of her family knew where she was, and was being abused by other patients, I still picture Janice Lynde with that unwashed hair struggling with another "patient" over an orange, cause everyone else stole the rest of her food, and was NOT going to let them get what little was left. I would cry over that. (But I was also only 7 at the time, and it was scary for me) So, I've made my points, and I'm going to try to get back to teh episode discussion. Whoever said Kevin Schmidt should feature more prominently in the Nick/Phyllis/Sharon SL is RIGHT ON, I agree totally.

None of MAB's stories even sound as good as these ones do! The only one that comes close was Kay/Marge, which is to this day her best and most Bill Bellesque story. Now THAT was Bill Bell--though, still, horribly rushed.

Edited June 9, 200916 yr by YRBB

I still stick by my theory, even with the risk of being completly wrong. These three are taking turns in the driver's seat and this is mostly SH's take on things we are experiencing. I don't know it is just a difference from how the writing style and approach was from November to Feb and then a bit different from Feb to May and then now we have May til now, there are significant differences. Febuary /March seemed so Hogan-esque to me and presently I feel this is Hamner's style. Hogan has an aggressive way of hitting at character's compulsions in excess, the whole Sharon promiscuity and Phyllis' 'over the edge antics' among other things just screams him. Now we have the mystery/Goth angle with more plot driven approaches Hamner's signature

Edited June 9, 200916 yr by classicmoment

Well, the 60 minute Y&R was only different from the 30 minute in that some characters were phased out, and other brought in, everything else stayed the same. And there's plenty more evidence than just 1979. Like Mark pointed out, the dark SL's continued into 1980 with Victor holding Michael Scott hostage in the basement of the ranch, and then Julia helping him escape, and losing her baby on the same staircase... then in 1981, you had the VERY creepy (And Melody Thomas' favorite) "Crazy Edward" SL, this neighbor of Nikki's who bcame obsessed with her, and sat around and talked to an urn of his mother's ashes all day, all culimnating with him setting their apartment building on fire after her tried to rape Nikki and rebuffed him, thorwing his mother's ashes all over him and bolting from the building. And we also had the Nick Reed SL during this period, where he tried again to sexually assault Nikki and she killed him (I think with a lamp over the head) . You can even carry it into 1984 with Eve Howard and the poisoning of Victor, Eve was VERY dark and creepy (Margret Mason was BRILLIANT) But going back even farther, 1975/76 had MANY dark SL's, not so criminal, but very depressing and psychologically disturbing. Jennifer Brooks cancer diagnosis, the AMAZING Bill Foster euthanasia SL, Kay and her driving Phillip off the cliff, and the twisted one was Leslie's mental breakdown, and her being in an institution where none of her family knew where she was, and was being abused by other patients, I still picture Janice Lynde with that unwashed hair struggling with another "patient" over an orange, cause everyone else stole the rest of her food, and was NOT going to let them get what little was left. I would cry over that. (But I was also only 7 at the time, and it was scary for me) So, I've made my points, and I'm going to try to get back to teh episode discussion. Whoever said Kevin Schmidt should feature more prominently in the Nick/Phyllis/Sharon SL is RIGHT ON, I agree totally.

I miss Noah and cougheventhatlittleEdengirl,toocough.

Dude, those storyline summaries were amazing. If only I can see them now. I'd love to see an obsessed/stalker character on Y&R!! Throwing ashes all over his body? Jesus Christ!

Of course, that would require stronger pacing...

Meh, MAB is the one who has authority over everyone else, she's also the one with the Co-EP credit. So, even if they're all taking turns, she's the one that's enabling this inconsistent mess.