KNOTS LANDING

[Vee]

I agree with all of this, except I don't know if Abby truly loved him vs. being enamored, enjoying their passion and enjoying his money until somewhere in early Season 5. Then they make their love more equal in S6. I also don't think Abby stopped loving him once she knew about the twins. I think that initially made her more desperate to hold onto him than before. Granted I am still mid-S7 but I think the argument can be made that once she knew he'd have the twins back by the end of the previous season or early S7, that's when she knows their life together is slipping away and thus you see her becoming obsessively focused on the increasingly-deranged Empire Valley project intrigue. She retreats to what she is best at: Consolidating and building new power bases, because she knows now she and Gary are on borrowed time.

Edited September 2, 2024 by Vee

[titan1978]

Let me rephrase. I don’t think she falls completely out of love with him in season six. I think she finally sees the whole picture for what it is, and begins fully guarding herself from getting hurt. She wants to hang on to what she has, but she is no longer under any illusion about them any more than he is about her. In season 5 and before there are times when Abby is clearly hurt by things Gary does. It changes after the baby story starts. Part of that is she is also in desperation mode to protect herself from any role in the babies being stolen.

There is a little naïveté in otherwise world weary Abby too. She moves Gary away from everyone to the beach house and then they end up at the ranch. She has total control over him and in the end can’t control him. And Val is still there. Ben comes into the picture and Val is in love with him but Gary is still in love with Val. To me, when she finds out about the twins being Gary’s, she is resigned to the clock ticking.

Her warning to Jill about the first Mrs. Ewing is what tripped her up too. She never goes away, not really.

Edited September 2, 2024 by titan1978

[SoapDope]

When Gary & Val split, I'm glad Val kept the house and made him move out. He could have pulled that crap that his Mama was the one who bought the house and he would be living there with Abby.

Years later after Val and Gary got back together and moved back to the cul-de-sac, Val was at a loss on how to set things up with stuff from the ranch. It would have been a nice nod to the past if they drug out Miss Ellie's furniture from storage and put it back in the house.

[dragonflies]

TBH I think if he had tried that Miss Ellie would have skinned him alive, she would not have been happy him putting Val out like that 

[All My Shadows]

Sid: “Abby’s always been a little wild, but she never did any harm.”

Oh, Sid

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Seriously, though, I forgot how hard it is to watch Karen and Abby’s warm sister-in-law relationship quickly deteriorate into what it will be for most of the series. Karen really did try.

[SoapDope]

It's the least Gary could do after he cheated on her twice and constantly threw her under the bus when things got hard. I wish Miss Ellie had paid a visit and told Gary what she thought. Maybe Miss Ellie had the house put in Val's name because she knew deep down Gary was not capable of handling responsibility.  

 

[Khan]

I'd agree!

There's no way Sid could have "survived" KL's transition into a full-blown soap opera.  He was much too much of a pushover and nice guy.  Either he would've evolved into a villain (much like FC tried to do with Chase Gioberti after a certain point) or he would've been killed off anyway by someone like Mark St. Clair.

[SoapDope]

The only way Sid could have survived the transition is if he left the dealership and became a detective or a D.A. after his car accident. He felt it was his life's work to take down crime and would morph into what the Mac character was after going back to school (very quickly in KL time) to get his credentials. 

Another option would he would be business partners with Gary in Lotus Point etc...but then that would might have left Karen out of the mix unless they both joined Gary. This venture would open Sid's eyes to what a schemer Abby was. 

[DRW50]

I'm more confused about that shitass Following show.

[te.]

Plex is a small streamer without any impact, so I imagine that something that's serialized with a famous name would get curiosity streams. I hope Falcon Crest and Sisters can just climb up there to show that there's interest for these shows, lol.

[Vee]

Plex is mostly used by people to store movies from the high seas and share with friends and family AFAIK (it's certainly what my friends do with it). The livestreaming stuff was incidental to me and ignored til now.

[Chris 2]

I imagine that Plex’s streaming service is run on a shoestring. That’s why we have the interlacing problems, the commercials dropped into odd places, and the audio dropouts.

[Soaplovers]

Season 7 is when Abby realizes she and Gary is coming to an end.  As the season closes, they seem to be in an almost open marriage with him and Jill....and Abby with Peter.

Also, in season 2 episode 10...Judy Trent does warn Abby by saying 'good luck, you're gonna need it'...in regards to Gary.

[Vee]

I thought the interlacing had to come from whatever unrestored copies they have, but I am no techie.

[Maxim]

When they were airing on the channel, they were not with the interlacing issue. This issue only happens on demand... and it's... Ugh... quite horrible, but I'm not gonna bitch and moan about it. I can download the episodes and when I play them on my VLC player... it seems like the VLC player fixes the interlacing issue. So I'm assuming it's some player-codec issue in the browser. Have nooo idea.