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On 12/14/2025 at 9:22 AM, Khan said:

I agree. Especially because it happened so damn quickly, with absolutely no breathing room for him, for Cathy, for all of us.

David Jacobs insisted that was the plan all along, but I doubt it. I think they had every intention of keeping Joshua around for years to come, but Michael Filerman and his ego ruined everything.

I'd still love for someone who was there to explain to us what the original intention was for Empire Valley; was it ALWAYS meant to be revealed as an underground spy network? Because, even if that wasn't how it started, it still feels as if they were leading up to something big. Otherwise, why invest so much time in another real estate development scheme? We'd already been there and done that with Lotus Point.

I honestly could see the seeds of what became of Joshua from the very beginning. Perhaps it happened a bit faster than it needed to, but Dunne did not waste time with things lmao

As for Empire Valley, I don't know about always, but the basics of it were definitely laid out by the last third of season 6 - seemingly a new, modern, environmentally progressive community that was hiding an international communications center. They did NOT repeat a Lotus Point story.

The real mystery is, where would it have gone in Season 7? I have no doubt Peter Dunne would've done a fantastic season-long arc with it, or something that led to the next arc. Sadly, Paulsen had no clue where to go with it (although I did like Gary blowing it all up).

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