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4 minutes ago, robbwolff said:

In an interview, Lazar said she left because of the extreme pressure, schedule, and the way Santana was written.

From interviews on the French Santa Barbara site:

 

Ismael Carlo does say why he left but it is apparent why he did not last long...

In her high petulant way she (Bridget Dobson) commenced to tell me how all her South American workers were beholding to her. How she treated them, "like children". I said to her, "I'm not a child". She got upset and started to cry. I told her that if she did not want me on the show, all she had to do was break the contract and pay me. It never happened. The Dobsons, who were the producers, where a pair of what you would call in your country aristocrats in their minds. I almost quit just before I started. But like any actor at the time I stuck it out all because of the work. 

 

Ava Lazar

You left the show before the end of 1984. What were the reasons of your departure ? With time, did you have any regret about it ?

When the producers on the original show were all fired and new producers came in from New York they maintained primarily those actors they had worked with in New York. It was really not up to me to stay. Sadly I wish I could have remained on the show. By that point it was becoming fun again

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17 minutes ago, Efulton said:

From interviews on the French Santa Barbara site:

To quote Casablanca, "it's still same old story" - actors fired for cost then trying to find some causal meaning when interviewed by the press...

 

Maybe the Dobsons were short sighted jerks, despite years in the business, or maybe they spent too much money making the floors in the Capwell atrium look like tile to afford such a large cast, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.

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18 minutes ago, j swift said:

Maybe the Dobsons were short sighted jerks, despite years in the business, or maybe they spent too much money making the floors in the Capwell atrium look like tile to afford such a large cast, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.


To be entirely fair, spending that much money on decor without budgeting for said large cast and the potential that ratings may be slow to come would make them "short-sighted, despite years in the business".

So technically both versions of the story are perfectly compatible. Obviously individual actors are going to see the story at their level, which is individual, even when larger factors must be taken into account.

But firing *them* over others certainly was a choice that had to come down to something, even if the fact they had to make a choice in the first place was about larger issues. So they explain what that something was from their interpretation/experience.

I will put it out there that based on my current re-viewing of the early months, Santana would emphatically not been who I would have fired/written out.

The irony of course being that the Capwell mansion set changed later on anyway so it wasn't even necessary - although it was beautiful and what I will definitely give them kudos for is that it felt very Santa Barbara. The sense of place was spot-on throughout the sets but it shouldn't have been at the expense of writing and keeping a good cast.

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5 hours ago, Efulton said:

From interviews on the French Santa Barbara site:

 

Ismael Carlo does say why he left but it is apparent why he did not last long...

In her high petulant way she (Bridget Dobson) commenced to tell me how all her South American workers were beholding to her. How she treated them, "like children". I said to her, "I'm not a child". She got upset and started to cry. I told her that if she did not want me on the show, all she had to do was break the contract and pay me. It never happened. The Dobsons, who were the producers, where a pair of what you would call in your country aristocrats in their minds. I almost quit just before I started. But like any actor at the time I stuck it out all because of the work. 

 

Ava Lazar

You left the show before the end of 1984. What were the reasons of your departure ? With time, did you have any regret about it ?

When the producers on the original show were all fired and new producers came in from New York they maintained primarily those actors they had worked with in New York. It was really not up to me to stay. Sadly I wish I could have remained on the show. By that point it was becoming fun again

It doesn’t give the source of her 1987 interview, but here’s where I saw her talking about leaving SB:

 

http://pierin26santabarbara.blogspot.com/2012/08/where-are-they-now-ava-lazar.html?m=1

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It seemed like the Dobson's seemed to kill off any story that had potential that weren't Cruz/Eden.

 

Santana was an interesting character...she was the maids daughter, determined to attain status on the same level as the Capwells.

 

Ava L was sensual and tortured with a strong backbone.  While Santana #2 was a decent actress that handled the Channing is gay story well....I wonder how Ava would have played it.

 

And I don't think the Santana being drugged and sent to a mental hospital would have occurred had ava played the role (though she did want to kill someone in the early episodes so Santana was certainly passionate.

 

One of the few positives of Long's stint was wrapping up Santana's arc..with the character leaving to start a new life..and reclaimed her identity...and meeting the handsome guy on the plane was a nice end to the character 

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1 hour ago, Soaplovers said:

It seemed like the Dobson's seemed to kill off any story that had potential that weren't Cruz/Eden.

I understand why it feels this way, but here's an interesting tidbit from the same article about Ms. Lazar's firing

 

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For better or for worse, it is a reminder that Cruz and Eden emerged out of audience support.  It is further evidence that whatever the original plans/bible were for SB were re-written and re-thought.  Which may be why re-watching the first year feels like a mess, with tangents, huge events with no consequences, and dropped storylines all over the place.

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2 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

Ava L was sensual and tortured with a strong backbone.  While Santana #2 was a decent actress that handled the Channing is gay story well....I wonder how Ava would have played it.

Wearing lots of lip gloss, no doubt.

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6 hours ago, j swift said:

For better or for worse, it is a reminder that Cruz and Eden emerged out of audience support. 

 

That is exactly why Mason/Julia came to be, too. Originally, Julia and her Baby Contract with Mason were to be the spoilers for Mason/Tori. But the audience responded to Mason/Julia, so the script was flipped and Tori became THEIR spoiler.

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7 hours ago, j swift said:

I understand why it feels this way, but here's an interesting tidbit from the same article about Ms. Lazar's firing

 

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For better or for worse, it is a reminder that Cruz and Eden emerged out of audience support.  It is further evidence that whatever the original plans/bible were for SB were re-written and re-thought.  Which may be why re-watching the first year feels like a mess, with tangents, huge events with no consequences, and dropped storylines all over the place.

Do you have the full article of Ava's firing? Maybe you posted and I missed it. 

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On 1/24/2019 at 12:05 PM, redontop4 said:

 

Bridget Dobson said in an interview shortly after being booted from the show that head writers Chuck Pratt and Anne Howard Bailey lobbied hard for Shirley Anne Field as Pamela while Bridget, at this point the sole (non-writing) executive producer, wanted Marj Dusay, who was fresh off of "Capitol." 

 

From a 1988 interview with Bridget:

 

"Jerry and I had conceived Pamela many years ago but NBC did not want us to bring on another forty-ish character. But we kept pushing because we know it could be hot stuff." Once the powers gave in, movie queen Samantha Eggar was signed, but quickly got cold feet when the rigors of daytime grind were fully explained to her. Fellow British actress Shirley Anne Field was cast instead. "She was Ann and Chuck's first choice," reports Bridget. "Marj Dusay was my choice but we cast Shirley Anne because we wanted the head writers to be excited. To me, Marj is a great beauty and seemed to be the kind of person that CC (Jed Allan) would have once been attracted to. Ann and Chuck's perceptions were not marginally different from mine - they were very different."

 

Ironically, Field wound up delivering a tepid, colorless performance and was given the heave-ho after three months. The replacement? Marj Dusay. Perhaps just as ironically, Dusay came on board as nothing short of brilliant with each icy line reading revealing encyclopedias full of character. Clearly, the plot possibilities were endless and the likelihood that the actress would emerge at the forefront of Santa Barbara - much as Elizabeth Hubbard rules supreme as Lucinda on As the World Turns - must have seemed delicious to loyal watchers. Guess again. Dusay was on the unemployment line before she knew what hit her and the dandy part was foolishly tossed into limbo.

 

Dusay lasted only until the summer of 1988, then returned for a week in March 1991.  When SB was canceled, she had this to say about the experience:

 

"I always thought Santa Barbara was a very good show and liked the work on it.  But when I went in it seemed to be just going to hell in a hand basket.  I truly believe they had their problems within the show, and they just more or less hired me to get rid of the character.  Pamela was the baby of the Dobsons, and when they had their struggle [with NBC, which resulted in their outster from the series they had created] somebody had to take it over, and by then the character couldn't go anyplace.  It evidently was so much politics, and if I had known that it would have helped me feel a lot better.  I thought Pamela was going to be a wonderful character, and she might have been had the Dobsons stayed.  It felt good to return, because there was something of real substance for me to play, and I was much more comfortable.  I liked the way the Dobsons brought Pamela back and where she was coming from.  It's a shame the show was canceled and I'm sorry for all my buddies there."

 

SB should have done much more with Pamela, but it sounds like the writers were not fans of the character and/or Dusay.  Of course, she and Jill Farren Phelps would reunite a few years later at GL when MD was cast as Alexandra Spaulding so apparently there was no ill will there.

It irks me how horribly Pamela was handled from the getgo.
She was continually mentioned, and had some great material at the beginning.
And while Shirley Anne Field did quite well, I do understand Bridget Dobson's desire to hire Marj Dusay for the role, and the idea of making Pamela a Lucinda Walsh-esque character could have been amazing.

On 5/11/2021 at 12:56 PM, Soaplovers said:

It seemed like the Dobson's seemed to kill off any story that had potential that weren't Cruz/Eden.

 

Santana was an interesting character...she was the maids daughter, determined to attain status on the same level as the Capwells.

 

Ava L was sensual and tortured with a strong backbone.  While Santana #2 was a decent actress that handled the Channing is gay story well....I wonder how Ava would have played it.

 

And I don't think the Santana being drugged and sent to a mental hospital would have occurred had ava played the role (though she did want to kill someone in the early episodes so Santana was certainly passionate.

 

One of the few positives of Long's stint was wrapping up Santana's arc..with the character leaving to start a new life..and reclaimed her identity...and meeting the handsome guy on the plane was a nice end to the character 

 

The character assassination of Santana Andrade, brought on by multiple misrecasts, is one of the worst things to happen to Santa Barbara.
That first year a lot of mistakes were made, casting and story wise.

 

On 5/10/2021 at 10:39 PM, Efulton said:

Ava Lazar

You left the show before the end of 1984. What were the reasons of your departure ? With time, did you have any regret about it ?

When the producers on the original show were all fired and new producers came in from New York they maintained primarily those actors they had worked with in New York. It was really not up to me to stay. Sadly I wish I could have remained on the show. By that point it was becoming fun again

 

Her response is kind of funny, because Bridget & Jerome Dobson were executive producers during her entire run.
Only the co-executive producer changed, twice, during her duration in the role.
When Lazar joined, Jeffrey Hayden was co-executive producer.
When she left, Mary-Ellis Bunim was the co-executive producer.

 

I think the fact they dyed her hair darker was another mistake, and it was clear they were trying to re-paint Santana into an anti-Eden and Kelly looking character (a.k.a. blonde).

 

On 5/11/2021 at 7:58 PM, Wendy said:

 

That is exactly why Mason/Julia came to be, too. Originally, Julia and her Baby Contract with Mason were to be the spoilers for Mason/Tori. But the audience responded to Mason/Julia, so the script was flipped and Tori became THEIR spoiler.

 

I feel like TPTB kept teasing pairings for Julia, and they just did not commit to any of them.

 

On 5/11/2021 at 10:12 PM, Chris 2 said:

Here’s a link to the full interview

 

Ava Lazar interview

 

What were they thinking? She was the best of all the Santanas.

 

Lazar was perfectly cast as Santana Andrade.
Margaret Michaels got off rough, but, by the conclusion of her run she was beginning to embody the role.. and her fashion slowly began getting better.

 

But, with recast, the role kept being destroyed.

 

On 5/12/2021 at 3:04 AM, Elsa said:

AL's Santana would not end up like a pathetic victim. I can see her having some of Gina's stories. 

 

I could have seen Santana becoming somewhat of a Phyllis Summers-type character, where Brandon was concerned, and truly pushing her interior design company, which is only storyline I felt like was dropped.

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49 minutes ago, Liberty City said:

I think the fact they dyed her hair darker was another mistake, and it was clear they were trying to re-paint Santana into an anti-Eden and Kelly looking character (a.k.a. blonde).


I think the racial undertones of that should not be ignored.
I firmly believe some of the subtext of what happened is that she didn't look or sound like a "sterotypical" Latina and that became a problem in the minds of TPTB because the cliches they wanted to rely on (see her "fire" leading her to bring a gun to Joe's return in the first episodes) weren't clicking with her more subtle performance and non-daughter-of-the-Latina-maid appearance.

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