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The scene with Dany was bad, but it might have been less awkward if the show was more diverse. However, on a show where people of color are a rare commodity to have a mass of them appear as freed slaves deifying a white queen was beyond tacky and inappropriate.

In the Small Council scene, the deadly silence and Tyrion's quiet chuckle when Joffrey said that Tywin hid at Casterly Rock was classic. Jackie Gleeson is so underated. I loved how he played Joffrey's realization that he had made a terrible mistake saying that when the chill descended upon the room. I also liked the Cersei/Tyrion scene. One of the few times that she has come off as a half-way decent human being. In her own twisted way, she was trying to help Tyrion and Sansa. The Tywin/Tyrion scene was pretty painful as per usual. Tywin is a cold bastard.

Yes, it is odd to have Jamie and Brienne show up before the wedding. Also, Jamie's appearance in Cersei's room had no drama and fell flat. The whole thing made no sense to me. What happened to Jamie and Brienne's horses and escort? Also, it was incomprehensible that none of the Lannister banner men or the soldiers at the walls recognized Jamie, dirty or not. He is not just the Kingslayer and Lannister heir, he was their commander for many years for goodness sake. The only positive I can see of Jamie arriving so early to King's Landing is if his relationship with Brienne drives a wedge betwen him and Cersei. He is grown to respect and care about (maybe love a little even) Brienne. Her good opinion means a great deal to him. It will not be easy for him (or it should not be) to carry on with Cersei with Brienne looking on. Shae is a fool. Trying to protect Tyrion, Varys gave her a chance at freedom. It was insane of her to turn it down to stay a servant and mistress. She just signed her death warrant there. I did feel for Arya when the Frey bannerman were callously describing Robb and Cat's deaths.

It was not the intent, but it sure came off that way. A set of "brown" people praising their "white" savior. RME. One major problem is that this show has no diversity. TPTB have made little effort in that area. They should say to hell with the books and GRMM and cast people of color in major roles.

This is one of my problems with GOT. While I think they do a decent job with the adapation of the book, there are too many boring and useless episodes. I thought this season was poor with too many useless scenes, a lack of overall drama, and some weak dialogue. It did seem like Sansa was beginning to accept Tyrion and appreciate his humor. Tyrion with Peter Dinklage in the role is the far too old for a 14 year old Sansa. They should have aged her like they with Jon and Robb.

That was the season finale? That was it? Come on.Very weak, especially after last week. They could have ended with Joffrey's wedding.

I think that you would. I am surprised that you don't watch it. Like TWD, GOT is more about the human fragility and interactions than the fantasy aspect. I think TWD is the better show, but GOT has a stronger core of leading actors and has had some outstanding episodes. If you decide to watch, Juliajms is right that you should start from the first episode.

Could it be god of the White Walkers that Dany and Jon have to defeat ultimately? I am just throwing wild ideas out there because I don't get exactly what is going on there, maybe GRMM does not either.

So it is believing in one god, the Lord of Light is supposed to be progress? That is banal, but makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.

I have never understood the role of the Lord of Light in all of this. What is this god going to contribute to the war with the White Walker beyond The Prophecy.

LOL! So true. They are going to have to do a final two hour finale when Martin finally finishes the last book.

I don't think that either are good actors, but they are damn sure pretty which makes up for it in this case.

I see you point. Although I think after Ned was killed, I would think that anyone would be could be killed, but I agree that the audience had been lulled in complacency since no one major has died in a while. Most definitely. Edmure is the Lord of Riverun which is why Frey took him as the second choice. Frey would need to be sure that Roslin had conceived and gave birth to a healthy child (multiple children would be even better) before he killed Edmure and even then, it would be unlikely that he would kill his son-in-law who has no power to harm him although after what he did to Robb and Cat, I suppose anything is possible.

More shocking than Ned losing his head? I thought that was the most shocking that happened on this show, but I agree that Cat and Robb's murders were a close second. However, I think that The Walking Dead wins the prize for the most shocking episodes.

EricMontreal22, no way Blackfish knew what was about to happen. He would never betray his sister, nephews, and their banner men. I suspect that they just wanted to add to the drama of wedding by having him there and then have a lucky escape. We do know that Frey has at least two older sons since they are the ones who negotiated the marriage. One of them killed Cat. I feel bad for Edmure. He gets stuck having to marry a Frey daughter because Robb breaks his oath. Edmure then gets lucky and gets to marry a lovey young Frey girl, only for him have to wake up the next day to the horror of learning that his family and their banner man have been slaughter. What a nightmare!

Frey's wife did not deserve that death. She is like almost every woman in that world. She had no power over who she married or what her husband did. You honestly think that she wanted to marry that crusty old man. Frey will replace her without thinking twice.

You cannot go by the actors cast for these roles. The show has done its best, but... I don't think that I am spoiling much, but I will say that in the books, Arya and Jon are the two children who look the most like the Starks. The other children have more Tully features. This likely contributed to Cat's resentment of Jon for all those years. The Targaryans are blonde typically, but that is due to years of inbreeding. If one of them had a child with someone with dark features, those features would be dominant. I completely agree. If only Cat could have found the courage to rise beyond her pride and love Jon. After all, he had no control over his conception and his mother was dead. When the truth is revealed and Jon takes his rightful place... I most gave a real spoiler away there. Let's just say a lot of people are going to have to be obeisant.

So much happened that I overview looked the Jorah/Grey Worm/Daario fight scene which rocked. It was interesting to see how distinct, but effective their fighting styles were. They really are great warriors.

I rewatched the episode last night. The Red Wedding was no less devastating the second time around. Heartbreaking, Cat's realization of Frey and Bolton's treachery and Robb's expression stood there in shock when Talisa and the baby were killed. Robb calling for his mother before the end. Cat's anguished cry as her son was killed right in front of her. One thing is that I wish that the tv show would have done more to help audience realize that Jon the male hero. There are tons of hints in the book, some of which could have been translated to the screen. I realized in my second viewing what different men Jon and Robb are. Not that Robb was a bad man, but he was swayed by emotion much like Ned was. Robb broke his oath over his feelings for Talisa. In contrast, Jon never let his feelings for Ygritte deter him from his loyalty to the Night Watch or his duty to the Westeros. He kept trying to convince her to come over to his side and when that failed he abandoned her. I hope his pretty face is not scarred for life. Btw, Grey Wind was Robb's wolf. Arya sent her wolf away ages ago to save it from Joffery.

Whatever happened with the Carstarks, Robb was doomed once he broke his oath to marry the Frey girl who turned out to be quite lovely. A king or queen does not marry for love, but to form alliances to strength their kingdom. Robb never understood this. I don't think that Cat is the cause of her families problems. If anything, Ned's bad judgement is to blame for every single domino that has fallen on top of them. He is the one who failed to destroy the Lannisters when he had the chance. But in the end, I doubt much of any of this will matter with the White Walkers on their way. Only Jon and Dany are important in the end. I forgot to mention: The ending credits with no music were eery as hell, very fitting.

I am pretty sure that Frey's wife was a child. She did not look more than 15 or 16. Oh, poor Grey Wind. Killed by his master's stupidity. He and Sansa's wolf got the worse of the Stark children so far. Seriously, that was a brutal episode. Stabbing Talisa in her pregnant belly multiple times was so gruesome. It will take me forever to go to sleep tonight. It was pretty sad when Cat saw the door close, heard them playing the music, and the realization that they were doomed slowly came upon her face, only for it to be confirmed by Bolton's betrayal when she saw chain mail. Well done by the actress! Could Rob be more clueless?! Even Talisa had more sense at first when she refused to kiss him. At least, Blackfish was saved by his bladder. The Tullys will live to have their revenge hopefully.

Seriously, I don't blame Dany. She has got to be horny as hell. It has been a long time since Drogo and Daario is hot. The crushed expression on Jorah's face when was asked for Daario was pathetic and funny all at once. Does Jorah really think that he has a chance with her? He needs to wake up. You know I was surprised by Talia's death. It was a departure from the book, but a good decision, I think.

Eh, Kat never had a chance, Walder like Bolton is a survivor. Notice how he stayed apart from the violence while Bolton put on his chain mail just in case. Arya did come close. Her life is going to be full of disappointments like that. I felt for Ygritte. Jon abandoned her without a second thought. I don't get how he did not recognize the wolves or vice versa.

Poor dumb Rob. He should have kept his oath. I cannot believe that she killed that the Frey wife. Well, I suppose that she does keep her oath.

I am pretty sure that the guy fighting with the sickle in the preview is Daario. I hope that we get to actually see some beheadings. This show is in need of some actual violence on the screen.