Vanguardian53

It seems that Izaiah's purpose will be to place him in all kinds of questionable scenarios. Really Hayley?

I really don't see how the show being aired for an hour or half hour makes the difference. This show has more than enough to effectively fill the time in an interesting and meaningful way. There are a lot of characters. Their backgrounds were nicely created. There is a lot that the show can be doing in greater fashion.......but......... And I can't believe that an interesting and effective character like Donnell was just sent away faster than he arrived. What was up with that move? Smh.

The character of Ashley seems overwhelmingly disliked but I think Jen Jacobs is doing a pretty good job playing her. Pretty good with the emotional scenes.

Andre rightfully chose his wife. Too bad, though, that Dani still has Bill on the brain in ways that she shouldn't if she's going to make an honest go of it with her new husband.

Question quickly answered. Joey and Izaiah had past communications unbeknownst to Elon. Also, the scene shifts from Joey/Vanessa to Ashley after Vanessa mentions Joey's "parental instinct." Foreshadowing?

So Joey knows Izaiah? That didn't appear to be the case when Joey and Elon last spoke. Unless, Joey and Izaiah had past communications and Elon knew nothing of it. Hmmm....

One rewrite, or shall I say just a brand new idea altogether, that I wish showrunners would've thought of was making "cuzzos" out of these two. It worked so well for Dynasty/The Colbys Alexis and Sable.

It had Stephanie looking like a whole entire hypocrite, but I continued to love the character anyway.

I actually thought Nurse Nightingale aka Ashley did a better job when she was blasting Derek.

Well, that's it? Nurse Nightingale is instantly done with Wheelchair Wiley? Is it a storyline setup so that he goes nuts and does something really over the top if not deadly? I mean, it is November sweeps.

Nevermind! Lol. I will not be going on and on about it so have a blessed day.

The fact that someone of Cady's acting caliber would even accept such a clownish role to begin with is even more laughable. But alas..........

Lol. Opinions will always differ as well they should, but I just don't find this young man to be nowhere near as bad as people are making him out to be. Bad writing can certainly do a number on those who are supposed to be a lot more seasoned though. Just ask her..........

I agree with most of this but I think I can still rock with the evil (or at least mischievous) twin and the occasional psychopath if done right. A few people on Facebook were giving the "Tomas" actor the beatdown and someone chimed in on the actor's defense and said "it's the writing." That’s the truth. It is the writing. Point blank.

I still think that this teen trilogy is set up so that Tyrell "the teen wonder" creates his very first baby mama. For better or for worse, it fits the pattern of this show making the male characters appear weak, irresponsible, or otherwise misbehaved in some way. Martin and Smitty are too busy ganging up on Samantha.

Yes. The writers and production teams should definitely steer clear of ALL things Tyler Perry related. 😁

She sure isn't. The fact that he foolishly never bothered to get his own paternity test furthers this belief

And yet, somehow it all worked for him, and still does.

Tyler Perry didn't get to where he is, nor did he acquire his very loyal and sizable audience, by being basic. He just didn't.

I love it when people make up their own stories too! They often read better than those of the actual "writers" and often make a lot more sense too, whether it's good or bad, liked or disliked.

Countdown to Tyrell being the one "shooting up the club" with Jessica resulting in the clichéd "oops" moment when she announces that she's pregnant. I mean, it's the "payback" for Martin and Smitty "watchdogging" and grounding Samantha who at least had a condom in her presence.

Lamon Archey doesn't sound too bad as Luke Hawthorne at all. Throw in Cassandra Freeman as Darlene and it's complete. As for Mr. Jamey Giddens, he was pretty stellar with "Ambitions". THINGS HAPPENED on that show complete with cliffhangers. It reminded me of a daytime soap in the best way.

I kind of see what you mean and I'm not even one who usually references these things. The Hawthorne scenes, and make no mistake, I fully support this family and their expansion on the show, but the scene with the three Hawthorne men almost came off like a skit. I was chuckling a little bit. It even looked like they had smirks on their faces while delivering dialogue. Somehow I didn't feel the supposed tension between Elon and Izaiah either. Izaiah's behavior is so laid back that I couldn't quite envision him as some uncontrolled wild child repeatedly spending time in jail. So I guess he got his act together cold turkey? Also, the sudden referencing of some "boo" by the name of Yolanda? Anyhoo.......

Why would it have mattered if anything was retconned or not? Is this really important? If it works with or without it for the better then who cares? Retconning is not new to the world of soaps.

Lol. I don't think believing that Luke/Izaiah could've been a retcon was nitpicking at all. It was an honest belief or assumption to make. The irony of it all is that Izaiah is the character that the audience never knew existed until very recently. He came out of nowhere. This, along with Luke being mentioned a long time ago with no further mentioning of his character until now, is what caused people to wonder if there was a shift making them one and the same.