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I was watching the bibs and bobs of stuff available from Ryan and Felicia's cabin showdown in November '92. They are real lucky nobody was paying attention to the soaps because this creepy "Tubular Bells" ripoff theme they're using for this story is right on the line of copyright infringement lol. But there's a lot of good music throughout, and I think some familiar cues are lifted actually from films but I'm not sure which, and I usually have a good ear for those (Loving reused the sinister score from Jennifer Eight often throughout the '90s). Anyway, it's great stuff, well-performed and very well-directed (esp the shot of the firelit silhouettes as Felicia starts stabbing away at Ryan). I really wish more of the full episodes were available - the full ones I can find stop right as it's getting warmed up and just as Cheryl Stansbury's will has been viewed, which is quite a story to peek at as well. I've seen some of the fallout with the custody battle before but not enough. That whole Cheryl, Robert, Julian Jerome, etc. mess has never made much sense to me, or how they seemed to go from her to Robert with another woman (Katherine Delafield?) in random succession and both got swiftly flushed.

Only on this forum would folks be going down the list of old game shows like Joker's Wild or Tic-Tac-Dough. That's not a diss. God bless.

I take your point, but the problem is I don't think broadcast/network as is has a long-term future track either. I think the best we can hope for (for both the networks and for shows' extended longevity) is a kind of hybrid model for certain shows, where they may be both on network and straight to stream. Meanwhile:

Folks can go around and around about this, but I will say I don't know that one senator taking up Silver's dubious wisdom means it is taking hold with the general public. That's just one more of select rank and file Dems in office who are scared of their own shadow - and those guys frankly often don't have their finger on the pulse of the public. it's possible, but I don't see it.

I'm not blaming you. It's entirely likely she hires him lol. But I really don't care either way about that right now. Looking at people posting about Generations on social media today because of this, it reminds me that it's a shame Kristoff St. John isn't here for this.

Ava is absolutely going to hit that again. And it's all part of her plan IMO. They do still have chemistry, and anything that plays Sonny for a fool and gets Ava back to what she is good at is fine by me.

Let's not make this lovely news a thread about how much people hate Jamey Giddens. I'm not going to fault MVJ for her friendships, I'm just thrilled she may be getting a new diverse soap on air.

Oh, that guy. Who cares. ETA: Sorry to say about a vet! But come on. We don't need half these recurring players including that guy.

I have no idea, but I didn't know there was another CVE.

Terry Randolph, Elizabeth's childhood friend and a doctor at GH. She's trans and is currently co-CoS at GH I believe. She's been around since '18. The actress is uh, raw.

Please, no.

I do think it's possible P&G properties could be revived at some point in the future, especially given the state of the industry. I've always said EON and GL were the most viable of that stable. But I think that's getting way ahead of things. First this show actually has to be greenlit for production and turn up on the network, and then succeed. Still, it's a nice pipe dream if like me you are extrapolating on recent trends.

I'd be shocked if they broke up Y&R and B&B now.

Quite an extended thread where the NYT journos meet another area they really can't control: Reddit.

One take Frank!

She had it at AMC 2.0!

I will be surprised if Paramount lasts til this is filmed and airs (if it's even picked up). I think it's going to go under and merge with either Peacock or be subsumed into Netflix. But who knows.

If CBS also decides to attempt to get Y&R back on its feet vs. it being the Mary Celeste of daytime and ABC truly feels compelled to compete with a Black-centric soap beyond just GH, its existing diverse soap brands are back home now. Just saying. No, I will never get over PP fumbling the bag on AMC/OLTL with mismanagement and a bit too early. And I wouldn't be shocked if this show goes after Debbi Morgan. Paging @marceline

I said it earlier in this thread and I've alluded to it in others, but this fits with what I'd begun to suspect since the WGA/SAG strikes and the streaming crash began. First, the strikes and income/pay inequity in that situation indicated that one of the last bastions of dependable income in the industry was, ironically enough, the world of the dying soap opera. They never close year-round. They will not have episodes burned without airing for a tax writeoff. They will not be renewed and then cancelled on a whim before the next season begins shooting. That's why so many institutional families (Labine, Bell, Culliton, etc.) pass the creative jobs along as generational security. It is hard to break in because of those closed ranks but once you do it's even harder to get drummed out. (Alarr, Morina, etc) This may warrant its own thread, but: Is it possible that the networks and parent companies have begun taking a harder, sober look at the fallout from the streaming wars - where almost none of them are sustainable long-term individually and will begin to consolidate under a handful of umbrellas for survival - and are now looking at dependable, long-lasting shows with huge libraries (like the supposedly shopworn old sitcoms, procedural dramas, etc. that also do huge numbers on Netflix) as a renewed income stream? Because my thought last year led me to this conclusion: If the only place writers can still make dependable money in this business is soaps, and if enough streamers keep falling apart and also need new safe harbors, that may lead the networks back to the soaps too. After all, soaps always did pay for everything else. And that in turn makes me take another look at the creative shift at GH. And what will happen to Y&R.

I suspect I was not the only one who found that recent random EW article on Generations odd. Probably not coincidence.

I think that's a big assumption for right now and not immediately likely. But P&G being back allows us to imagine a little. I did think last year during the strikes and beginning of the streaming crash that soaps and their income might start looking more appealing again to the industry.

Yeah, it's insane. Almost as insane as P&G coming back in when we know they were starting to starve and offload the soaps for years before they actually began killing them off. I've always felt it was a horrible sin not only to lose the last of the New York soaps and that wealth of rich BTS history, on-air talent and employment potential (don’t get me started on how I’ve bored young actors I know in NY with this), but also how P&G abandoned their soaps slowly after their being an institution unto themselves in them and a seal of quality for so many decades. Wild.

I will just say again for whoever definitely isn't listening that not only is GL a timeless brand IMO but AMC and OLTL would still murder at 30 mins each back to back, in arc-based seasonal periods on streaming if necessary (ironically, what Gottlieb pitched 30+ years ago). That's it, that's the post.

I still don't think broadcast has a long-term future for soaps, but I do think GL in particular could do well on streaming in a tweaked format focusing on the families and suburban aesthetic more, in the ways Nancy Curlee, etc. so eloquently laid out. But I and others have laid out our convoluted ideas for those revamps many times before. GL and AMC sort of epitomize that Americana tapestry to me.

I'll believe it when it exists onscreen, but this doesn't seem to be the same thing as that fly-by-night Pine Valley effort a few years ago which I was always skeptical about. I think the only thing keeping that in the mix for a year or two was the star power of Kelly and SMG.