Soaplovers

RHONJ: Melissa is correct that louie is manipulative and untrustworthy...but she's only right because she also is manipulative and untrustworthy. Like minded people can always suss out one another in an instant. Jackie needed to remember why she had a good debut season...because she correctly called out Teresa with facts and got under her skin with ease. She needed to employ that with newbie danielle in order to have gotten to be in a housewife position. Lastly...Delores divorced Frank when he cheated on her.and was able to co parent with him successfully...and the two became friends (Jennifer needs to do this with Bill..imho). He has always said he was in love with her and knows he blew it with her...which is why he's so bothered about Delores putting more boundaries up...because she has a new guy that she wants to make a go with. And Frank's girlfriend should be a bit offended that he isn't putting boundaries up with Delores in order to get their relationship a chance to grow

I liked Mary-Margaret Humes portion of the screen-test... and while she had the fiestiness of Maddie down... I could see why Cybill Shepherd was chosen.

Eva said she wanted to be an actress, but got a job until her acting career took off. She kept her day job because her role on Y & R didn't pay enough to not work her other job...so she did both jobs. Cost of living is high in LA so I don't blame her for keeping both jobs. Maybe she could have phrased it differently, but EB is known to bully people. And I think he was jealous she found lasting success outside daytime. And he used to not know his lines back in the day (if stories are true that Peter Bergman told him to know his line hence leading to their confrontation years ago).

Eileen Davidson on Y & R is definitely a chemistry killer except with Victor.. though she had great chemistry with Ronn Moss on B & B... and she had good chemistry with Drake H and Eric M on Days when she was Kristen. Maybe it's Y & R that's the problem... and not Eileen since she seemed to generate good romantic chemistry on B & B/Days, good rival chemistry on B & B/Days (Brooke/Marlena), and great friendship chemistry on Days (Billie/Jennifer).

RHONJ This is the start of a new NJ with the demotion of Jackie., hiring 2 newbies and a new friend of. I hope next season will continue this transition by saying bye bye to Melissa and maybe Margaret. RHONY: Eboni always seemed like she couldn't help liking Ramona despite her best efforts not to for good reason.

And then Walsh merged with M & A to become Walsh-Montgomery in order to combine their assets in order to battle World-Wide. In fact, I remember that Lucinda had tried to secure Damian's business.. and I think she went to see him to find out why he opted to sign with Walsh and discovered he was married to Lily.

Eileen worked best in business stories and when Ashley was pissed at someone...though she had the fragile element as well that made people like her. My mom used to joke that Eileen could teach a master class on losing her mind because she was so convincing. And I remember by the mid 90s, Nikki wore black to a dinner that she was forced to invite Sharon to when she was dating Nick. And I remember she also did needle point as well during this period. I think Bell almost seemed as if he was writing Nikki to be like a Kay...except always at the ranch and drunk sort of like how Kay was in the early years while married to Philip.

I liked Ryan and Kendall as a couple...two lost souls coming together. It also helped humanize Kendall and it was what made people start to think of her as Kendall vs SMG

Yeah..maybe a soft reboot of Miami will be in order for season 6. The reunion snippets seem to indicate it's going in a toxic direction. That's the one thing I always liked about OC...they never have the same cast more than a season...though I question the wisdom of Gina being on so long though.

GL: Hart & Cassie

The colorism talk was a good 1st step...but I spend agree I don't think the cast has that issue as much. Classism is a big issue with Karen/Gizelle being big examples of that on this show. And I do agree Ashley was understanding what Candiace was saying. I think the only reason Ashley understood was because Ashley has gone through something similar (being bi racial).

I wish there was a poll for the fans to pick their favorite clip...with five choices of memorable clips instead of the actor choosing.

I would dump Marysol because she's just creepy to look at, and she's a little too rehearsed/boring for me.... and I would get rid of Larsa because she really adds nothing at all except the sleaze factor RHOP: Time to clean house on this show. If you have to make up a story to be on the show, then maybe it's time to part ways and allow other new blood to come in. New Jersey: I like the new additions.. and hopefully this is a signal that Melissa will be going bye bye after this season.

Gabrielle Upton seemed to be the writer that moved Arlene out of the Ben/Betsy/Meg realm into Ray's orbit. And then created Mia to be the conflict in that relationship..when Arlene spent a good 2 years in that role as the spoiler. Labine created that conflict, Depriest made it more messy by installing Arlene's mom as an employee of Meg I think. And I think the follow up writers carried that on until Upton came on. By 1980, was there any mention of Arlene's past ties to Ben/Betsy..or was she completely separate from that orbit?

RHOP: Robyn does her job well as a side-kick... but she should have brought a bit of her life onto the show instead of keeping it off camera. Gizelle needs to go because she doesn't offer anything except causing drama... and Ashley has that covered. Mia is a bad fit and has had her 2nd season try out, time for her to exit stage left. Karen.. has she really said or done anything so far?

And from what I heard kept Bambi and used her properly. It's a shame Ann Marcus wasn't given more time to work her magic because the last few episodes I saw on YT seemed to reflect a show tying up old stories/threads from previous writers while introducing some modern new characters like Amy... and that final scene when Arlene walked away from her verbally abusive husband gave me hope that she was finally waking up to the fact that she could do way better then him.

I know that Dr Sara was gone by late 82/early 83... but was there still a place for her on the canvas other then being the local talk to, or the resident therapist? Other then her previous romantic ties to Justin, I could only see her being a talk to... though I do imagine she would have a field day having Reva, Roxie, and India as patients. I think changes truly needed to be done by 1983 because a lot of the stories/characters started by the Dobson's were starting to become stale by 1983... just wish that the balance nicely established in 1983 and 1984 were maintained instead of having to endue rough transition years circa 1985 to 1987/8.

This type of scene is missing from Y & R, and other soap operas nowadays. When you had a character from the haves (Katherine) meeting a character that wasn't a have not, but fighting for their piece of the pie (Ms. Love). And on that subject of a Have meeting a character working to get a piece of the pie...here was Victor and Drucilla's 1st meeting.

Fox did have one soap briefly in 1990..Tribes that aired after 3 PM. Problem was the network was too new and they didn't have country wide coverage at that point..but the cities it did air in had healthy ratings that were slowly growing. I think by the mid 90s, Fox was large enough that they could have had a soap or two in the daytime.

I will say I think it was more Kobe that was the problem then Long. Hope, Amanda, and Hilary were written quite a bit before they were ushered out suddenly. In regards to the Holly/Roger connection when they returned... I do know Curlee had convinced Long to bring them back..but it wasn't her that wrote the Adam Malik story nor his storming Philip/Blake's wedding (she didn't like it...but it fit with Roger). And I'll be honest that there was a change in writing for Holly once Long left the show..that in some ways hindered the character. I was surprised she was less neurotic, more assertive in 1989/90. After 1991, she became more neurotic and kind of a victim. Not sure if that was due to Curlee and co..or if that was JFP's influence.

You are correct that Marin Gazzaniga was going to be the new head writer of PP's OLTL had it continued. She had been one of the final people that had done the soap writing program at ABC before it was discontinued and apparently she was contributing well in the writers room.

Correct me if I'm wrong...but didn't he leave years ago because his mental health suffered when he was head writer? Why would he risk his mental health again by letting go his breakdown writers? Including Natalie...who Kay Alden had envisioned being the one to take the reigns of the show down the line?

Talk about wasted potential....I was hoping this would have been long term...but with the bad writing and GF unable to play the hard edges... the character didn't last. You would have thought someone could recall that AMC tried a similar character in the early 90s and when she couldn't play the vixen..turned the character into another Laura.

I recall when Roger first came back, he was paired with Sonni...and the actors worked well together. Two outcasts finding one another...while it wisely moved her out of the Josh/Reva orbit. I often wonder what would have happened if Michelle Forbes hadn't quit..would the Holly/Roger 1990 talk been less a way to make them viable as a future couple...and more of a form of closure

Friends to strangers to semi friends: Harley/Dinah GL Friends to enemies (had one of them not passed away): Maureen/Lillian GL