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A number of those pilots were originally uploaded by the Media Garage account, which was removed several times for the usual reasons. They are going to put up some new pilots, they claim - hopefully there will be some primetime soap related material. I watched Grace on their channel. It's too slick in the way many Shondaland shows are for me but had potential, and a good cast.

Gottlieb and Malone undoubtedly revived OLTL, and a great deal of the output from 1992 and 1993 is worthwhile, but it can be hard to shake how much long-term damage much of that era did to the show (in my opinion).

I was reading a MSW book that has appearances from Dennis Stanton and Michael Haggerty. I think there was some talk about Stanton earlier in the thread, but what did you think of Haggerty?

@slick jones @jam6242 @vetsoapfan @Paul Raven @FrenchFan @depboy @Vee @carolineg @Contessa Donatella @titan1978 @dc11786 This is not GH related but it does have a GH vet and I'm not sure it's listed in his credits. Peter Hansen around 2 minutes in. If you recognize anyone else in this please let us know.

The amount of people from JD Vance's past who go on about how friendly he was and oh he just completely changed all of himself for gain should raise alarm bells for any voter. It's not just the usual about a politician flip-flopping. (he also can't pronounce Haiti, apparently, speaking of which...)

Hell, he'd probably cast her to play Margo.

I don't see it as protest as much as people who are put off that a platform that claims to want to remember and honor doesn't seem to care about doing so. One example in this ceremony was not bothering to mention Joe Flaherty in the main broadcast, even though he was an integral part of generations of beloved TV shows. All this on the night that his longtime co-star was co-hosting the very same ceremony. It's all so devastating. Sometimes I feel ghoulish going on some quest for answers that aren't our business, especially as I had not heard a great deal of her story, so thank you. And thank you for the clips @janea4old.

That's good to hear about Monmouth (I did not know they were rated so highly). Meanwhile, today's GOP in a nutshell:

Amy Walter/Cook have been going into overdrive lately about how Harris still isn't beating the polling spread enough, that Trump did not blame Democrats when he was "shot" but now he is so numbers will favor him, etc. I do agree that polling is probably too rosy for Harris but still the propaganda is not subtle.

It fits with hatemonger JD Vance going around talking about how Trump nearly died and the rest. Speaking of him, you can see he, Rich Lowry, Megyn Kelly, etc. have gotten the marching orders to push even further into racism.

Unless you count getting to see Greg Vaughan half-naked, Lucky's last good story aired sometime in 1998 (and even that is being generous). At some point the show needs to accept the character is spent.

I won't post the clip, but Rich Lowry, who has been clogging the drains of National Review, Politico, etc. for many years, seemingly used the n-word (before at the very end changing it to "migrants") on Megyn Kelly's hatecast today. Megyn was of course grinning, as much as the very limited nutrients left in her body allow her to move her facial muscles. He claims this was a "mispronunciation." I would say the right going full hood off will cause a reckoning for them with voters, but I don't know if I believe that anymore, if I ever did.

Thanks. You're probably right.

For me there is a longstanding problem with Laura in that even when she is given story, I don't feel she has a great deal of inner life or drive. It was one of the reasons I found her late '90s return so underwhelming. But that's just a me thing.

I didn't realize until now that Laura's father had the surname of Grey. Didn't the man who originally took Laura away have the surname Grey? David Grey? Was that ever intended to mean anything?

I am so out of the loop with the show I didn't even know he was her brother. All this family and Laura still feels irrelevant to me. Reading his comments about how he was so grateful for the job due to health insurance reminds me of what a fickle business this is. Back in the '80s and early '90s MEK was hot property, even if he never really broke through in films and primetime. Now he needs Valentini's charity. I don't begrudge him (I know he's had a hard time) as much as I marvel as how few actors seem to make it last.

Seeing Lisa running the hospital bookstore around 1981 just felt sad. AW brought a bookstore in for Cass and Felicia in 1995 but quickly dumped it. A bookstore would have been a great idea in ATWT's later years. You could even have underused characters like Emma involved, given her writing background.

Wall Street Journal hacks running interference for JD Vance.

I think someone once said Eve's last scene is at a ball with Ross and as they are dancing she tells him about leaving to be with Ben. I get confused about just when she and Ben got back together as I thought they did when he briefly returned in 1982. It's a shame Tom couldn't return in 1990.

I don't think they are. I think they are mostly trying to keep the conservative and shrinking viewer base they have. As shown with GH in the last few years, when they had a popular younger base of teens who weren't part of the norm, they actively worked to minimize them.

I do think there is a subset of viewers who only watch for gun battles, slap fights, women painted in the ugliest possible light, but a lot of younger people never even had the chance to see material like this episode. You see studies claiming that younger people want more focus on friendship and a move away from sleaze. Soaps are just so inert and that makes it very difficult for any new viewers to be involved - if they are it often just seems to be edits based on a couple rather than the show itself. A show needs to have its own identity and a sense of comfort to find and keep viewers. That's something ATWT lacked in its last 15 years (along with all the other soaps).

I appreciate all the polls, as otherwise I'd have to comb through all sorts of Twitter accounts populated with Trump bots, but I'm just not sure I will ever trust them again (and if I do it would mean I'd have to also go along with the polls saying that Taylor Swift endorsing Harris made people less likely to vote for her or the polls being passed around saying Jill Stein is beating Harris in the Muslim vote in various swing states). Every day that Trump dominates the conversation means another day viewers don't know Harris. A lot of people will go with the enemy they know, especially if focus goes on issues that favor the GOP and slant media coverage of the GOP, like immigration or the economy. The whole thing takes me back to 2016, where I would see ads from pro-Hillary groups that were entirely about Trump and I got a sense of dread because I realized just how much he had crowded her out of the conversation. And now with this alleged assassination attempt the focus is even more on him. One of the key attempts Harris had to define herself to people who don't know her has been about everything else. No wonder per a Guardian tweet Trump's people were going around smugly saying how effective the push about Loomer, Springfield, etc. had ended up being. Yes, they are going to say that, but I don't think they were wrong. A clip of Pete Buttigieg saying this was posted a few days ago, but it's worth posting again.

Kathleen seems to have been let go. I am not as sure about O'Rourke. I think someone here mentioned a story once of him running around in relief after getting the news (or something along those lines) so who knows. That's interesting. I thought Mark was off OLTL by that time. Maybe he was still friendly enough with them to make a recommendation. I loved Jerry but his Clint never worked for me.