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Thanks @Vee I guess we'll know soon enough. So many headcases supporting RFK Jr in that tweet. I guess I should be surprised he doesn't have even more. He is a truly sick man.

I'd take Emme over her.

Sorry about that. If you click on the MPEG4 button on the right side of the page it can take you to a version that is easier to watch (and you can download it). Carrie I think was mostly just there for the story about Jim's past. Dan was around for longer. He is eventually killed off while dating Ann, apparently, per the Loving recap site. Here's a profile on Carrie. https://lovingsoapopera.wordpress.com/2023/09/29/character-profile-carrie-davis/

I agree. I suppose I can say it's equality on display as a number of straight male legacy characters have also been trashed in the last few years, but the Sugdens deserve better treatment. They are what built the show.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/tv/strictlys-kelvin-fletcher-risks-tv-20325676 I imagine there's more - I haven't seen his account in a long time. I remember he and John Bowe saying a lot on the topics back when they were on the show. I agree Diane should make a brief appearance at the very least, if the show has any interest in John being anything but another of Aaron's corpses.

I don't think he wants to (and given his political views I'm not sorry). I do miss Diane, but she barely ever seemed to have ties to Robert in his last stint. I do wish they'd bring her back long enough to at least meet John.

There are probably worse moments but I saw this one - a great example of the sneering Beltway mentality.

She might have been over the experience by then. In interviews when she came back she said that by the time she left, she and Long had such a tense relationship that a P&G executive who mediated a lunch between them left the table because they felt so sick.

That's a nice idea. If they cared, they would have a brief return by Joe while Frazer is still with us. Even just a ghost visit.

Phaedra is good TV in limited doses but being a regular I don't know about. I watched some of the Traitors this past season, and again, she had fun moments, but I couldn't watch a lot of it because she felt very bitter and toxic, including making some extremely ugly allegations about a competitor just because he went against her in the game.

They chose a name over a character, which is a shame.

I wonder if she may also not want to talk about that period - maybe she has elsewhere, but I know Zimmer has said she and Long loathed each other by the end.

To be honest I don't think he's ugly at all - I think the show just set him up badly, both with a horribly written character and expecting him to have charisma he didn't have. Having Melinda go on about how sexy he is and he's the hottest man ever doesn't help. Beyond most of them not knowing or caring about past history, my guess is producers and executives also wanted as little as possible. I was surprised they even remembered Jennifer or brought her back at that late date.

Eileen is an extremely cold performer. The antithesis of what Kelly should have been.

I do wonder if Eileen has any positive memories of her time there - maybe she just associates herself with Y&R. I think Carrington may have auditioned for Mindy Lewis at one point, but I might be mixing her up.

I remember Susan Bedsow Horgan not remembering some of her ATWT decisions when interviewed. I suppose it's inevitable, especially with material from 30, 40 years ago. Probably the only way they might is if they sit down and watch the episodes with their names on them, and how many writers are going to do that? At least Nancy Curlee did a bit for Locher Room.

@NothinButAttitude Here's when Curtis meets Rick. @dc11786 As always, I enjoy reading your breakdown/commentary of the period. I agree with you about the generic nature of the material (which is often an issue with Loving in the '80s). I wish more of the material Lily had after the affair reveal was available, where she worked at the shelter, to see if that touched on her past. As it is she is just a generic schemer, and Britt Hefler is a competent but not very dynamic actress. I agree about not being into all the stuff about Jim's past. I don't mind Jim, even if he wasn't the most dynamic of characters, but it's all so convoluted (and too reliant on offcamera backstory) and I don't think Mark Pinter had the charisma for the role he was put in. The most interesting element for me was the torture scenes with the double agent. That guy had a presence. They should have considered putting him into the regular cast. I also agree the Ava and Clay material was the standout. Roya is just enthralling to watch. Yes, her Ava was another Erica, but she makes the character compelling in her own right, and Clay/Alex was a more dynamic love interest than Erica tended to get. The added elements of her history with the Alden family help.

Thanks @SoapDope for the clip. The poor quality of these last few clips gives them a real horror vibe. That deeply sad scene with Betsy and Melinda in the previous clip followed by her going back into the main living room of house that looked like it was rotting away. It's very difficult to watch. I suppose it was just too easy for future writers to not mention Melinda, as she was only on for a few years and never had any truly substantial story with Kim or Barbara. Similar to why Maggie was never mentioned (even though Cricket had a few mentions over the years).

Thanks for the extra info. I know how time-consuming it is to work on Wikis, but I wish they'd chosen a more flattering photo...

I was reading the Soapcentral bio for Brad Hollister, which has at least one major error (saying he left in summer 1981 when we know he's there up to at least December 1981), but I assume has the right info about his exit. After Dee admitted her feelings for him on the stand at John's rape trial and Annie lost their child, he and Dee had sex, but he admitted to her that he had schemed against the family over the silver mine, and she wanted nothing more to do with him. This seems like a very abrupt wrapup to their relationship - I wonder if they had planned to reunite Brad and Dee but another writing changeover dumped him. I am also trying to figure out how much of this story was by strike writers. The strike ran from April-June 1981. Did the Dobsons leave with the strike and not come back for a while? How much of the rape trial story were the Dobsons responsible for? Any? After all the hard work they did with the Holly and Roger story, refusing any justifications for him raping her, the John and Dee story almost feels like a gruesome parody, playing into tawdry stereotypes about "crying rape." I wonder if the show did originally plan for John to rape Dee, but someone realized he was too valuable a character to lose (and he had already raped one woman as it was).

Someone uploaded this to Archive not long ago. It's February 8, 1988. I know a ton of this period of the show (the Wild West story) was up on Youtube at one time so if you've been around long enough it won't be new to you, but I'm posting again anyway. If you have a problem watching the video you can download by clicking on the mpeg4 button and then clicking again to download the file. One Life To Live (Feb 8th, 1988) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Someone uploaded this to Archive not long ago. It's most of February 8, 1988. I don't think it's been up before (apologies if it has) so I am posting it. If you have a problem watching the video you can download by clicking on the mpeg4 button and then clicking again to download the file. "Loving" Soap Opera Full Episode From February 8th, 1988 : Junknasium : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive @slick jones @Vee @Sapounopera @Kane @dc11786 @FrenchFan @Paul Raven @Matt @NothinButAttitude @Khan @John @Joseph @j swift @Forever8 @Franko @Manny @BetterForgotten @te. @Soaplovers @Joshua Montgomery @chrisml @Maxim @Contessa Donatella @Soapsuds @soapfan770

IMDB credits her in this. I wonder if it's another one of those likely mixups with actors having the same name, like the Natalie Ross credit I mentioned in the AMC thread. M.U.G.E.N (Video Game 1999) - IMDb

Looking back at the photos from the previous page I just saw that Harley Jane Kozak was there too. Richard Eden. So many people. Now if only a producer could take the opportunity to use some of this talent while they still can.

The comments are reminding me of how hated Courtney was. Just despised. I remember when she decided to jump into freezing cold water while pregnant and fans tore her apart. ALW looks a lot like Laura Wright here. I guess it explains Jax/Carly.