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Thanks. I appreciate your memories. I agree that nothing likely made it to the air. What did you think of Michael (or Johnston)? Were you surprised more was never done with him? I am sorry no one was ever able to interview Dwyer about AW in spite of her long life (similar to Jean McBride who outlived her work on Love of Life by many, many years), but I'm glad she was able to maintain her privacy to some degree.

I loved Jerry, but I had many, many issues with this, and I just could not see them as being remotely the same. They really did a number on Clint in those later years.

My main memory of Marcy's work as Tangie is all the monologues she had for a while. Sometimes I think the show cheated because they knew Marcy was good at those (Santa Barbara loved a monologue) but that doesn't make for a characterization. We just kept getting all these pictures of worlds we were never going to see, while she was doing [!@#$%^&*] all in Springfield. And saddling her with a stolen money story early on, which never works for anybody, didn't help.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/alan-scarfe-dead-double-impact-seven-days-1235916962/ Alan Scarfe had a brief role on OLTL as Leo Cromwell, father of Christine, the daughter Viki was conned into thinking was hers when it was actually Megan. (I have wondered if the show had bigger plans for Christine but just lost interest - the most I remember is all the stuff with Wade and Mari Lyn)

I do think Wheeler and Jill Lorie Hurst at least had some ideas, which Frank doesn't (the merit of Wheeler's ideas is dubious of course) but I agree that GL by that point was doomed.

I remember Chris Schemering talking about how GH's organ music was much more inventive than organ music on other soaps.

Another brief clip, mainly with Steve/Betsy/Craig.

A brief clip, mainly focusing on Steve/Betsy/Kim. This is the next episode.

Based on his GH run, I'd guess his favorite book - The Best Golden Girls Episodes To Have Threesomes To. Played by Robert Scott Wilson.

Not surprised that the CNN reporter who was all but shedding blood tears over milk prices during the midterms was letting Hughes talk and talk. This is what I remember one of the "journalists" behind this hit piece for:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/article/2024/jun/06/jeannette-charles-actor-queen-elizabeth-ii-dies-aged-96

Thanks!

This was uploaded a few months ago. They weren't sure of the exact date.

@Vee Thanks. I see that WSJ has circled the wagons again with another vague hit piece on Biden speaking too softly and misspeaking, with breathless quotes from unbiased Kevin McCarthy and Mike Johnson. Apparently, Biden's people are upset because they trusted WSJ reporters. Always a mistake.

Another reminder of just how low Republicans go, and just how desperate the media is to enable them.

I was looking on IMDB and see that Lionel Johnston (the last Michael Randolph) has no credits since 1984. I wish someone had asked him over the years of any memories he had of the aborted gay storyline for Michael. I'm sorry nothing of that period is around to where we could see the setup.

He officially came out to the public in 2012 and his marriage was announced in 2014 (during the show's final season I believe), although they'd gotten married a few years earlier. So he was out to the industry when he got White Collar, but if he had been out to the public, I'm not as sure whether he would have gotten that show. I'd like to think he would have. I don't really follow who is out in daytime now and that wasn't part of the original post I was replying to but I'm certainly happy for any soap actors who are out and get work.

White Collar started several years before Bomer came out, although I guess we could praise USA for not canceling it after he did.

Thanks again @slick jones

I don't doubt Bomer had opportunities, which is why I said big potential leading man. With that said, he himself has mentioned he lost roles due to coming out. Given how many gay men in the industry push gay actors to stay closeted, I'm not surprised. Everett always seemed somewhat erratic, but I think most of their relationship was before he had another big chance in the late '90s. I think at the time one of the main roles he ended up getting was that big flop he did with Madonna, which kind of says it all.

It will be interesting if there's ever much of a test with American actors. British actors seem to have more leeway these days (Jonathan Bailey is playing a lot of straight parts, while Paul Mescal and Josh O'Connor are playing a lot of gay or bi parts). I do agree with Rupert that his career was hurt by his coming out, although I don't think he likely would have had a major movie career in the US anyway. Hugh Grant and Clive Owen already filled various niches he could have filled, but his leading man looks meant he couldn't fill the spot Alan Cumming has had. I agree Bomer could have easily made Superman believable along with many other parts - that he never got the chance tells you of the limitations of the industry, unless you want to force yourself into a beard marriage and family (and even then, it often doesn't work).

I think it depends on the type of actor. I'd say the days of someone like Sean Hayes or Nathan Lane, who were seen by many as gay but took a while to publicly come out because even saying the words might hurt their careers, may still be over. Any big potential leading man is another story. They will still likely stay in the closet until they either age out or accept that they won't find the fame they were looking for or end up getting involved with very rich, powerful men. Matt Bomer is an example of this. He was closeted to the public and still lost out on Superman Returns, directed by a gay man, no less. Why bother after that? He has said it still cost him work, but I'd say in the long run he probably was right to just go ahead and take the risk. There are actors who are rumored to be gay or bi and who are or were seen all over the place with their toyboys but still stay in the closet, even as their careers steadily decline from big screen to forgettable Amazon fare. And once they turn 45 or 50 they might come out, and do pap strolls with their surrogate twins as we praise them for their bravery. That will always be the norm for a gay or bi actor in Hollywood who isn't along the lines of Leslie Jordan (RIP to a sweet man).

https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/jun/04/william-russell-obituary The first Doctor Who lineup set the template for much of the best of later years. William was such an integral part of that. I loved his relationship with Barbara, which had a great deal of depth even while remaining understated. He could do anything - comedy, high drama, action. Ian will always be one of my favorite companions. I'm glad he had such a long, rewarding career, and that he managed to return for the 60th anniversary.

Patricia Heaton Joins 'Frasier', Reuniting With Kelsey Grammer (deadline.com) I wasn't watching this anyway so I can't act like it affects my decision, but I am now happier I never watched.