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I don't blame you there. For me the relationship with Georgie and John and their kids was a foundational part of the show. Having Trevor lash out as he wasn't the son they were worried about (due to his brother having cancer) was believable, but the tone was so dark and bleak. It was extremely difficult to watch. And rather than giving a rebuilding period, this just went right into the therapist story, which made me sick and led me to quit watching.

Great find @MissPalmer I don't believe this is on Youtube anymore so I am reuploading. A very grounded, if somewhat brittle, interview with Claudia Lonow. The most interesting part is probably when she says she doesn't care that she isn't in the opening, she's just glad to work. And of course not long after she got in the credits she was written out...

The writing for both is terrible. I'd gladly choose "neither." More gimmicks to hide how hollow EE is now. It's nice to see Diane Parish showcased but none of this benefits Denise.

There's a second part to this I have somewhere although I don't think Eileen says a lot in it as the focus is on a sitcom actress. No Y&R clip in this, sadly, but I thought some of you still might enjoy seeing this again from whenever it was last on Youtube.

I'd like to see more of Family Affairs as well. A few popped up last year but so many are still not around. Only audio of one is available. A shame.

What survives of Lemay's AW run shows very wealthy characters who have rich inner lives and react in believable ways. And in Marland-era ATWT, you had many rich characters who were still grounded and felt real. The funny part is that the whole idea of soaps being about camp and OTT and glamour became bigger just as the budgets became smaller. Even Y&R and B&B, which were the most "glam" (although outside of some location shoots I always thought B&B looked a bit cheap to be honest), did not survive without huge slashings. You also have to ask what DOES glamourous mean in 2025? Kim Hughes sitting down in her Patterns chair had glamour...does a never-ending supply of veneers, Botox, Ozempic, and wearing American flag bikinis at Maralago? Does the increasingly desiccated Bravo circuit? That's why I don't really need whatever turgid idea of camp or money is around in recent years. I'm happy to save that for whatever Jamey Giddens/Ron Carlivati parody project is in the works next.

Thanks. One of us will have to go in and try to change it although IMDB is a horror to correct.

@John here they are (he was on more than I realized) https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0284619/ Thanks for the info about Erin. I still wonder if JFP was trying to get her out in favor of her own pick, like she did with Amber Tamblyn on GH.

I wouldn't be surprised - it would explain a lot in this period. (oddly, the voiceover guy makes the Trevor story seem lighter than it actually was)

A promo I hadn't seen before. Seeing that Trevor story again gives me PTSD...the real start of the end.

Thanks as always @JAS0N47

Thanks @Franko Vague memories of that Brady Bunch episode.

Gwen Van Dam Dies: Veteran Character Actress Was 96 https://people.com/john-capodice-dead-seinfeld-general-hospital-actor-8768179

Gwen van Dam, who was on a number of times from 83-87, especially as some character named Jeanie (not sure who she was). Gwen Van Dam - IMDb Gwen Van Dam Dies: Veteran Character Actress Was 96

I'm not even sure I can find an IMDB page for her.

Thanks. I may be just thinking of the Al story she was in.

That's a neat way to acknowledge an actor being back. It's always hard for me to imagine anyone else as Vanessa, although clearly anyone named Stuart had a good shot. @John Thanks. I forgot how many temps there were around then on OLTL. I don't want to watch again but wasn't Gretel also going around with a cane or something around then?

I remember some talk of a potential Maureen return - I think she would have played a different role, in that story I read in one of the soap magazines.

I suppose we can add Natalia Livingston as Taylor on DAYS. That seemed to get a disastrous fan response, and she was out fast. I had forgotten until now that Tamara Braun also played her. Clearly fans were happy to move on from that given she's been playing a whole other character off and on for years. What a mess. I do remember her having some fan support, helped by the longstanding antipathy many fans feel for the Sonny/Carly/Jason setup as well as it being the only other daytime role Sarah had that captured her intensity.

Thanks. Didn't know that.

She wasn't the last soap person to feel so confident in Logan's hands that they said how they really felt. The same happened a few years later with FMB (to be clear FMB did not say anything along these lines - she just panned the state of ABC Daytime). You could also see that onscreen as suddenly Holly and Roger were getting very clear scenes to rebuild their relationship and humanize Roger somewhat after he had been dragged through the mud under McTavish/Laibson. I remember one in an elevator and another over the phone. By the time Parlato came in that had mostly changed. They were still doing Roger/Holly but even then I think someone must have sensed it wasn't going to be the same.

I'd forgotten that too. Someone must be out there pitching a Northern Exposure reboot with the harem.

That sounds like a fun diversion.

I know it's too easy for me to just blame MADD, especially with Rauch's history, but she decided to make herself the face in one of the most heinous ways possible, so it's hard for me to separate. I agree they both had a hand, especially heartless Moonves.