I hope it's here to stay, I'm loving it more and more! The camera is not as shaky today as it has been

Hmmmmm... I couldn't tell if they had the "film look" today. It was odd... sometimes it looked like they used it, and sometimes it didn't. It like jumped from scene to scene. And Monday it looks like they're not going to use it at all (if my eyes aren't deceiving me).

Yeah it did seem like they used it more in some scenes than others

Hmmmmm... I couldn't tell if they had the "film look" today. It was odd... sometimes it looked like they used it, and sometimes it didn't. It like jumped from scene to scene. And Monday it looks like they're not going to use it at all (if my eyes aren't deceiving me).

It will still be there Monday.

It will still be there Monday.

Cool. I hate to say it, but I'll watch crap if it looks remotely glossy. I wish AMC had the brilliant storytelling to accomodate the great look.

AMC has won their technical Emmys in these episodes.

I can't STAND when we watch soaps and all we see is that stationary camera, panning and tilting (but mostly just standing perfectly still--aka boring) on talking heads. I HATE talking heads. Let's see some action!

To be fair, talking heads IS a soap staple.

I'm not sure if something like this could really work for DAYS, PASSIONS, Y&R or ATWT. Those shows(even PASSIONS) have prided themselves on having traditional looks for their shows with dramatic soap lighting. I'm still stunned Lynn Marie Latham was allowed to do away with the flower shots and gets to use the "Swoosh" every episode(except, on Y&R it doesn't annoy me for some reason).

I hope Brad Bell from B&B takes a clue from AMC this week and decides to do this for episodes featuring their fashion shows. Shaky cameras DO NOT look good unless the film look is used.

Cool. I hate to say it, but I'll watch crap if it looks remotely glossy. I wish AMC had the brilliant storytelling to accomodate the great look.

AMC has won their technical Emmys in these episodes.

To be fair, talking heads IS a soap staple.

I'm not sure if something like this could really work for DAYS, PASSIONS, Y&R or ATWT. Those shows(even PASSIONS) have prided themselves on having traditional looks for their shows with dramatic soap lighting. I'm still stunned Lynn Marie Latham was allowed to do away with the flower shots and gets to use the "Swoosh" every episode(except, on Y&R it doesn't annoy me for some reason).

I hope Brad Bell from B&B takes a clue from AMC this week and decides to do this for episodes featuring their fashion shows. Shaky cameras DO NOT look good unless the film look is used.

Well, I know that's a soap staple, bellcurve, but here's my point: we all know that soap audiences are dwindling...we also know that the nets, whether or not one agrees, target younger audiences. Next, young 'uns are fickle and need those 'flashy objects' to stay tuned. I can't imagine teens of today, with such short attention spans, wanting to watch characters do nothin gall day except sip coffee and talk, talk, talk. BOOOOOORRRRING, lol. That's why I believe AMC has the right idea.

Next, I was wondering if someone would bring up "Days." Is it just me or do they not use a filter in their shows? It's not the filmed look but it's definitely not traditional soap "super clear, cheap" look either, you know? Not every detail is there in the picture...

As for Lynn Marie Lathan, someone PLEASE tell me what the flower shots and "swoosh" are allabout.

As for Lynn Marie Lathan, someone PLEASE tell me what the flower shots and "swoosh" are allabout.

The flower shots are referring to Y&R's trademark of panning across a room and an object (mirror... candles... vase of FLOWERS) before finally settling on whichever character is in the room and allowing the scene to begin.

The "swoosh" is the way Y&R swooshes from scene to scene lately. Rather than just cutting from one scene to another, they do a quick "cut-to" thing, like something straight out of an old Batman movie, complete with a swoosh sound.

Well, I know that's a soap staple, bellcurve, but here's my point: we all know that soap audiences are dwindling...we also know that the nets, whether or not one agrees, target younger audiences. Next, young 'uns are fickle and need those 'flashy objects' to stay tuned. I can't imagine teens of today, with such short attention spans, wanting to watch characters do nothin gall day except sip coffee and talk, talk, talk. BOOOOOORRRRING, lol. That's why I believe AMC has the right idea.

The film look should NOT be used to simply bring in younger viewers(even though that could probably be the reason why AMC used it). It should be an artistic choice that suits the show and the story. THE CITY used the film-look, but the show was supposed to be larger-than-life and "not your typical soap" anyway. I can't imagine a style like this working for Y&R, because the show is SO traditional. Even though Y&R has storytelling that makes every other soap on the air envious, audiences come home to Y&R because it's familiar. Y&R doesn't need gloss, big budget explosions, or hotel fires to appeal to a younger audience. The storytelling ALWAYS holds the attention of the audience member, old and young. It is a formula that has worked for them and I feel that it works.

Same for ATWT and DAYS. Their formula has(for the most part) always been storytelling over gloss. I can see DAYS fans tuning out in droves if they pulled the film-look stunt AMC did.(At least in terms of the show airing in daytime).

B&B and GL are different stories. The former uses good storytelling, but audiences are simply captivated by it because(as Pat Randolph Lopez-Fitzgerald mentioned on this board ages ago) it is brain candy. GL experiments with stuff all the time and especially with the new direction this show has taken, GL's scenes could probably benefit from cool camera angles and the film-look.

Next, I was wondering if someone would bring up "Days." Is it just me or do they not use a filter in their shows? It's not the filmed look but it's definitely not traditional soap "super clear, cheap" look either, you know? Not every detail is there in the picture...

I never really noticed. But I always thought lighting, set design, etc. really excelled during Jimmy Reilly's first tenure.

P.S. Thanks Kenny. You explained it much better than I could.

The flower shots are referring to Y&R's trademark of panning across a room and an object (mirror... candles... vase of FLOWERS) before finally settling on whichever character is in the room and allowing the scene to begin.

The "swoosh" is the way Y&R swooshes from scene to scene lately. Rather than just cutting from one scene to another, they do a quick "cut-to" thing, like something straight out of an old Batman movie, complete with a swoosh sound.

Oh my GOD, Kenny, I thought that's what the flowers thing was but was afraid to sound stupid if I was right!!

She got rid of that?! Is she on crack?! I loved how they did that.

So what, every other minute, they do this "swoosh" thing? Seems that for 39 minutes every weekday that'd be annoying.

So what, every other minute, they do this "swoosh" thing? Seems that for 39 minutes every weekday that'd be annoying.

When used in other shows or in movies a swoosh would be used as a transition between scenes when there's a change of location, as an indicator of simultaneous action in another locale, a change in time/date or someone picking up the other end of a telephone.

I'd be surprised if it was used more than a few times an episode and after a few times a week even after a while.

AMC used swoosh transitions during the FEM storyline before McT came to town. I like it and think it's fun for soaps when used apppropriately.

It does surprise me that you would think these transitions even several times an eppy would be more intrusive than the shaky, handheld camera shots.

I can't imagine that DOOL does not use a digital filter for that gauzy look they're sporting. What everyone's calling a film look on AMC is a digital effect. But digital effect decrease intimacy, period and soap die without intimacy between the viewer and the actors, imo.

I've found after watching AMC this week that the picture is grainier and therefore less clear. A medium-long shot of a goodbye kiss between Tad and Di was lost in the darkness and grain, imo. I didn't like it.

I am personally losing detail in actor's eyes outside of the Confounded ConFusion set in which has low angle lighting from the bar. The ConFusion lighting in the typical AMC style is just horribly and unflatteringly lighted. Which makes me think that set may have been designed for the "film look" filtering since it looks better in the darker appearance for that effect.

I like some aspects of it but AMC's gone overboard a bit and need to reign back the trickery, especially since we're all desperate to talk about anything McTravesty on Crack storylines.

When used in other shows or in movies a swoosh would be used as a transition between scenes when there's a change of location, as an indicator of simultaneous action in another locale, a change in time/date or someone picking up the other end of a telephone.

I'd be surprised if it was used more than a few times an episode and after a few times a week even after a while.

AMC used swoosh transitions during the FEM storyline before McT came to town. I like it and think it's fun for soaps when used apppropriately.

It does surprise me that you would think these transitions even several times an eppy would be more intrusive than the shaky, handheld camera shots.

I can't imagine that DOOL does not use a digital filter for that gauzy look they're sporting. What everyone's calling a film look on AMC is a digital effect. But digital effect decrease intimacy, period and soap die without intimacy between the viewer and the actors, imo.

I've found after watching AMC this week that the picture is grainier and therefore less clear. A medium-long shot of a goodbye kiss between Tad and Di was lost in the darkness and grain, imo. I didn't like it.

I am personally losing detail in actor's eyes outside of the Confounded ConFusion set in which has low angle lighting from the bar. The ConFusion lighting in the typical AMC style is just horribly and unflatteringly lighted. Which makes me think that set may have been designed for the "film look" filtering since it looks better in the darker appearance for that effect.

I like some aspects of it but AMC's gone overboard a bit and need to reign back the trickery, especially since we're all desperate to talk about anything McTravesty on Crack storylines.

See, here's the thing I don't get: the intimacy argument. I've cried during "Friends," "7th Heaven" and "Sex and the City" -- all filmed shows. I can't remember the last time I shed a tear for a soap. Mostly I just laugh at them all, regardless of the situation. (And please understand, it's just because of the cheap look combined with the fact that I love the portrayers and the campiness of it all, it's not mean laughter). That said, that's why I don't buy the 'intimacy' argument. I sometimes feel more connected to primetime shows. And if soaps truly want that intimacy? toning down the music during crucial moments helps. sorry but Zach's death on "Days" lost a LOT of its punch for me due to the music pounding in the background. It just seemed packaged and not 'real' due to the sound effects and background music. Conversely, I could watch Edith Bunker nearly get raped but take care of herself in an UNFORGETTABLE episode of "All in the Family" (which, okay, was probably taped, but just saying), and because there's no music and it's just - raw- I can feel the emotions and feel that it's actually happening.

The shakiness is not the camera, it's their processing to make it look "film". They're missing too many frames, causing choppy movement.

it's nice they're trying something new and all, but when are they going to fix their sound problems? I should not be hearing peoples feet dragging, and the saliva in their mouths at the same volume as the dialogue. Terrible sound mixing. Its the same with the whole ABC lineup, it sucks.

The shakiness is not the camera, it's their processing to make it look "film". They're missing too many frames, causing choppy movement.

it's nice they're trying something new and all, but when are they going to fix their sound problems? I should not be hearing peoples feet dragging, and the saliva in their mouths at the same volume as the dialogue. Terrible sound mixing. Its the same with the whole ABC lineup, it sucks.

Amazingly, I don't see anything that you described in your comment, lol.

How is the shaking so momunentally bad? I rarely even notice it.

The sound, I get...but not the tonge clicks you mentioned. The reverb is just AWFUL. You know it is when a low volume on AMC results in your TV sounding like it's about to break open. The sound is the biggest problem on this show.

That said, I agree, not all soaps could pull off the filmed looks, but AMC does it just beautifully.

Ok after finally seeing the entire week - I'm beginning to love the new look. At first I was not too excited, but now that they gotten less 'shaky', it makes the show much better looking IMO. Looks primetime, less cheap, more entertaining. I love it and hope they keep it....which I don't see why they wouldn't since they've done it for 4 days straight now and looks like Monday will continue.

Amazingly, I don't see anything that you described in your comment, lol.

you rarely do see anything anyone describes in their posts, so this is not a shock.

I know what I'm talking about. Their FPS is far too low, and thats whats causing the shakiness. Videotape has more fps than film. But AMC is still being videotaped. Their conversion process needs improvment. If they are going to stick to this, I'm sure they'll get it right eventually.