46 minutes ago, All My Shadows said:

Showing up to their house today was just messy bc it wasn’t in reaction to anything. If it’s just bc of general anger over the situation then, once again, btch needs therapy and she needs it bad.

-- Have to agree that Dani is a mess. I mean, she went to Haley and Bill's house to let them know she wanted nothing to do with them. LMAOOOOOOOO Just stay away and you won't have to hear Haley's lame "I didn't mean to" apologies. Dani is delusional.

-- And how sad can Dani be if she's having constant sex with one of the finest guys in town?

-- Chelsea's date is one lame actor. That was not good, although that final scene gave a pop to the entire episode.

-- Derek showing up with carnations -- CARNATIONS -- made me howl. Cheap ass bouquet from the grocery store.

-- I hope they're done with the Ashley praise for delivering that baby. My God.

-- The writing for Martin is embarrassing.

-- I'm looking side-eyed at the lack of affection/desire between the married gay couple. Yes, things are strained, but we still could have had a hug (or more) from them by now.

37 minutes ago, Mona Kane Croft said:

Understand.  But they are allowing Chelsea to have a 3-way with a straight married couple.  What's conservative about that??

 

29 minutes ago, John said:

Right so threesomes are ok with straight folks but a gay married couple can only kiss on the cheek

Ya'll are missing what the writing is telling us. Martin and Smitty are not in a good place. This isnt about straights vs gays. Their chemistry is off bc they have marital issues and seeing how Martin is, it makes sense. Martin is very controlling and quite selfish and there is a disconnect between them which is affecting their intimacy

4 minutes ago, Cheap21 said:

 

Ya'll are missing what the writing is telling us. Martin and Smitty are not in a good place. This isnt about straights vs gays. Their chemistry is off bc they have marital issues and seeing how Martin is, it makes sense. Martin is very controlling and quite selfish and there is a disconnect between them which is affecting their intimacy

Thank you. I feel like the way he’s been treating him and especially today made it clear.

Martin comes off as perhaps the only reason his married Smitty...and adopted kids...is because it would give him a good public image. Smitty needs to tell Martin to shut the hell up. Wow...talk about selfish!

I didn't see Chelsea's three-way coming! I wonder where THAT'S going to go!

Ashley and Jacob continue to be snoozeville for me. Ashley is slightly better, but there just isn't anything to the Jacob character. Who is he outside of dating Ashley?

If I was Dani, I'd be walking up in that country club with my hot new young man on my arm!

Edited March 7Mar 7 by 1974mdp

nvm lol. No, the show is clearly not afraid of LGBT content if Chelsea is getting down with both parties.

6 hours ago, John said:

P&G in the past put limits on what the gay roles on ATWT and GL could do

P&G never forbade kissing with the gay storylines in the 2000s. The reason these characters are so mild with each other atm is clearly a story thing.

Edited March 7Mar 7 by Vee

1 hour ago, Mona Kane Croft said:

Understand.  But they are allowing Chelsea to have a 3-way with a straight married couple.  What's conservative about that??

Lesbians are going to be considered safer than male gay characters plus their execution of that was just as clunky as Martin and Smitty's kiss on the cheek. I'm happy they're attempting the story and will give them time. It's better than them not including these characters at all. If six months on things are the same I'll say something then but I give them grace right now considering the obvious constraints they're under.

35 minutes ago, Vee said:

nvm lol. No, the show is clearly not afraid of LGBT content if Chelsea is getting down with both parties.

P&G never forbade kissing with the gay storylines in the 2000s. The reason these characters are so mild with each other atm is clearly a story thing.

Forbes March said he was told at ATWT that there would be no romantic gestures. Just touching shoulders

1 hour ago, Cheap21 said:

 

Ya'll are missing what the writing is telling us. Martin and Smitty are not in a good place. This isnt about straights vs gays. Their chemistry is off bc they have marital issues and seeing how Martin is, it makes sense. Martin is very controlling and quite selfish and there is a disconnect between them which is affecting their intimacy

Exactly!

I'm guess I'm the only one loving that Martin is the antithesis of his namesake lol. 

I also had to laugh at Chelsea going to her potential threesome and kissing the female on the cheek. CBS said yall can go but not to gay ha ha

1 hour ago, Cheap21 said:

 

Ya'll are missing what the writing is telling us. Martin and Smitty are not in a good place. This isnt about straights vs gays. Their chemistry is off bc they have marital issues and seeing how Martin is, it makes sense. Martin is very controlling and quite selfish and there is a disconnect between them which is affecting their intimacy

Him also being plagued by nightmares isn't helping the situation either. 

Episode photos and behind-the-scenes photos are up
on the paramount press site.
These scenes have all aired, no spoilers.
(you might need a VPN from outside USA, I'm not  sure?)
https://www.paramountpressexpress.com/cbs-entertainment/shows/beyond-the-gates/photos/?page=1&limit=250

Edited March 7Mar 7 by janea4old

1 hour ago, Cheap21 said:

 

Ya'll are missing what the writing is telling us. Martin and Smitty are not in a good place. This isnt about straights vs gays. Their chemistry is off bc they have marital issues and seeing how Martin is, it makes sense. Martin is very controlling and quite selfish and there is a disconnect between them which is affecting their intimacy

I am hoping I am proven wrong. Given what they did with gay roles at ATWT & GL I am not optimistic 

I'm loving the shades of gray on this show.

 

They've got me totally rooting for Eva even though Kat is 100% right!

 

I'm team Haley, but Dani's speech about how she never let her mask slip... ohhh, I'm gonna need to see flashbacks because that's kind of diabolical.

 

And now Bill is repeating history wanting Haley to quit, and yet I hope he's on his way to taking down Dani.

I feel like the point of Dani's visit was to issue the warning that Bill will eventually show his true colors but that could have been done with a random encounter in public that happened before Bill told Hayley he didn't want her working. 

Dani and Hayley's dynamic sort of mirrors Katherine and Jill's on Y&R where Katherine had a friendship with Jill before Jill had an affair with Phillip.

Edited March 7Mar 7 by ReddFoxx

1 hour ago, John said:

Forbes March said he was told at ATWT that there would be no romantic gestures

Forbes March wasn't the one getting makeout scenes and kissing, which they did have. So no, I'm not buying P&G vetoing LGBT intimacy almost 20 years later. Your concern is noted.

Edited March 7Mar 7 by Vee

46 minutes ago, Vee said:

Forbes March wasn't the one getting makeout scenes and kissing, which they did have. So no, I'm not buying P&G vetoing LGBT intimacy almost 20 years later. Your concern is noted.

I agree. This is not the same P&G.