4 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

I want Sonny to pay just as much as the next person. But if you follow the logic that exists in Port Charles, Sonny is a mob boss that doesn’t run drugs and keeps worse things at bay. I’m not arguing the logic here, or the stupidity. I’m just saying that is what the show presents. So I understand Laura and Anna not going after him. I do not agree that they would be friends with him and so chummy though. But I get the looking away a little.

I think both this and what Wagger says can be true. And Wagger is correct: Whether Sonny intended it at the time or not, Stone laundered his image over the years. I do think Sonny loved Stone, as he said. I also think Sonny has dined out on Stone for decades.

25 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

Jagger always had a savior complex, first with his siblings, then with Karen. His resentment here makes total sense to me.

As someone that watched the show when Sonny arrived, I do not agree that Sonny used Stone to rehab his image. Luke did more of that than Stone did. They got rid of Frank Smith together, and Luke opened the club with Sonny (the very same club that used to have Karen stripping in it). And truthfully, Brenda did too. All that happened before Stone’s illness and death.

 

Very true about Jagger and his savior complex.

I would also agree multiple people including Luke, Brenda, Robin and Stone all combined to help rehab Sonny.  The entire abusive stepfather angle helped as well.  I think his treatment of Stone did immediately make him less of pariah and all the non criminal PC citizens were admiring his devotion to Stone though.  And I do think the Stone stuff has gotten mentioned quite a bit over the years when someone is defending Sonny.

Edited March 6, 20242 yr by carolineg

Those warehouse scenes with Jagger/Sonny/Anna/Ava were fantastic - from the Karen discussion to Jagger turning on Anna by mentioning she wasn't there for Robin.  Wow.  Great stuff.   AH really sold me on the role with his performance today. 

Just Dante laying there shot juxtaposed with Olivia talking about him with Sam is already classic GH to me. I am totally invested and concerned about Dante.

Stakes that matter was high on my wishlist for the new HW team. In one episode they made me more invested than I have been in ages, because I believe the danger and the emotional fallout. And I don’t even like Dante with Sam!

Jagger having a point of view, even if I don’t agree with some of it is also welcome. It’s also just nice to see someone tear into Sonny.

Chase really dragged down those scenes on the dock. It’s pretty bad when Joss and Dex are acting circles around you.

Edited March 6, 20242 yr by titan1978

7 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

Chase really dragged down those scenes on the dock. It’s pretty bad when Joss and Dex are acting circles around you.

I've said it before but looks aside he is like an overgrown manchild. I really hope BLQ doesn't marry him. And yeah, I'm legit worried about Dante/DZ too.

Edited March 6, 20242 yr by Vee

The way Ava said "I believe you were trying to help Karen" to Sonny today made me immediately suspicious of her motives.  A woman and a mother that has experienced Sonny's dark side would never say that.  She's up to something.

11 minutes ago, carolineg said:

The way Ava said "I believe you were trying to help Karen" to Sonny today made me immediately suspicious of her motives.  A woman and a mother that has experienced Sonny's dark side would never say that.  She's up to something.

Ava is also in the life. She doesn't give a fúck what he has done because she has done terrible things and wants power. But I agree. She is enabling and playing him as she did ten years ago, angling to seduce him again, and she may or may not be involved with whatever operation is gunning for Sonny. It would not shock me if Jason doesn't know she's involved either. She kept herself insulated from Julian and being identified as inside the business for a long time before Connie found out about Derek Wells.

Edited March 6, 20242 yr by Vee

4 minutes ago, Vee said:

Ava is also in the life. She doesn't give a fúck what he has done because she has done terrible things and wants power. But I agree. She is enabling and playing him as she did ten years ago, angling to seduce him again, and she may or may not be involved with whatever operation is gunning for Sonny. It would not shock me if Jason doesn't know she's involved either. She kept herself insulated from Julian and being identified as inside the business for a long time before Connie found out about Derek Wells.

I don't think she actually cares what Sonny did or gives a crap about something that happened decades ago.  The wording and way MW said it gave me a big pause.  I was thinking the opposite and that Jason does know she's involved and will expose it.  

Sure Sonny was helping Karen

B To The S

Also this video is part of Claire Labine's first week as HW at GH

 

12 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I don't think she actually cares what Sonny did or gives a crap about something that happened decades ago.  The wording and way MW said it gave me a big pause.  I was thinking the opposite and that Jason does know she's involved and will expose it.  

Maybe. But I think if he knew it was Ava and saw how close she's gotten to Sonny again (and he has clearly been monitoring this situation) he wouldn't wait. And yeah, as I said she doesn't give a fúck. Ava never has.

3 minutes ago, John said:

Sure Sonny was helping Karen

B To The S

Also this video is part of Claire Labine's first week as HW at GH

 

No one, except apparently Ava today, has ever thought Sonny was helping Karen especially people that have actually watched it.

2 minutes ago, Vee said:

Maybe. But I think if he knew it was Ava and saw how close she's gotten to Sonny again (and he has clearly been monitoring this situation) he wouldn't wait. And yeah, as I said she doesn't give a fúck. Ava never has.

Yeah, I don't know.  It's getting interesting.  It would be really difficult for me to wrap my head around Ava working on this the whole time, but perhaps Jason was staying undercover to figure it out and to keep Sonny safe because multiple people are involved?

I immediately thought that maybe this is part of whatever it is that Ava has going on. Easy to lie to make Sonny think she is 💯behind him, no matter what. I don't know why her plan would need that. But, I don't know that it would not, either. Plain & simple, it is a very easy guess. 

But, on one point I am totally confused. How did Jason get shot? Insight, anyone? 

8 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Yeah, I don't know.  It's getting interesting.  It would be really difficult for me to wrap my head around Ava working on this the whole time, but perhaps Jason was staying undercover to figure it out and to keep Sonny safe because multiple people are involved?

I can buy it, especially after what Ryan, Nikolas, Esme and Austin and his hick family put her through. She's always been bad news IMO but I can see that all spurring her to decide now is the time to go all in, kill Austin and work her way back to power after being pushed around for a number of years.

The only other offering of Jeff Korber's that I have seen was a story (can't recall the title) of homeless vets and their teen children living in the woods on the edge of Portland, Oregon (I'm born, raised and lived there for decades). It was a fairly accurate depiction and JK was a badass. But I have to say I am not much of a fan of him on GH. It's his staggering, halting delivery of his lines that bugs me most. 

Re: Jason...SBu says on many of his podcasts that "the phone keeps ringing" for his roles on all the soaps. I tend to believe him. If someone is even the least bit blackballed in this industry, they can't just pick up the phone themselves to keep working anytime they want. Insert many actors' names here. SBu has been and continues to be very desirable. I say ride it 'til it ends.

Can we move on from 1994? I would've rather seen AH as a Jax recast to work up modern day beef with Sonny than Karen this or Stone that for the whole year. It's obvious Jagger's only claim to fame was saving Karen from Sonny so it's beaten into the ground cause it's his lone purpose for returning after 30 years. Scott has brought this up on and off for 20 years about Karen for those saying it is finally being revisited. Nah. It's been covered and covered by Scott a lot. Sonny isn't still pushing drugs or running a strip club. Give them something new to beef over if this hatred is moving to the forefront. Dex can turn out to be his son or something. 

Edited March 6, 20242 yr by Vince79