5 hours ago, Vee said:

It really is insulting how they pretend Neil was World's Greatest Dad with Devon and that their relationship was the central axis. I barely ever watch this show and even I knew back then that adopting Devon was Dru's focus, that he was her project and that she got the entire family onboard, to say nothing of the fact that the entire storyline was Victoria Rowell's brainchild in the first place.

Ehh given the fact Neil was completely destroyed when Pratt turned him into a bloodthirsty villain to which Neil was never able to recover from nor did any subsequent writers take the opportunity to redeem Neil and spent his last two years as a sad lonely caricature, I can accept the slight retcon/restoration to a pre-2015 Neil’s character. 

33 minutes ago, soapfan770 said:

Ehh given the fact Neil was completely destroyed when Pratt turned him into a bloodthirsty villain to which Neil was never able to recover from nor did any subsequent writers take the opportunity to redeem Neil and spent his last two years as a sad lonely caricature, I can accept the slight retcon/restoration to a pre-2015 Neil’s character. 

Sure, I understand the need for increasing Neil's stature a little via a light retcon. But when this point is repeatedly hammered in while Dru is barely ever mentioned, that's egregious.

2 hours ago, soapfan770 said:

Ehh given the fact Neil was completely destroyed when Pratt turned him into a bloodthirsty villain to which Neil was never able to recover from nor did any subsequent writers take the opportunity to redeem Neil and spent his last two years as a sad lonely caricature, I can accept the slight retcon/restoration to a pre-2015 Neil’s character. 

This was a year, in a 25+ history of the character. I do not think those sins outweigh Neil’s true character. 
 

I was the biggest AL Summer fan when she was mourning Phyllis, but Summer now being in on the deception is not doing the character any favours. All we do is see Summer sulk around town. Her nuanced performances as her mother died, has turned into one-note sulking that makes her look like she smelled something bad. 
 

Daniel and Summer have no reason to keep Phyllis’ secrets. They know Phyllis is a schemer and have called her out on it in the past. They would been better served not to be her co-conspirators, but the Greek chorus exposing her. 
 

The only good thing about this storyline is how it will affect Kyle and Summer, hopefully breaking them up. Both actors have more chemistry with other players on the canvas. 
 

I would love Noah to be brought into this story. Younger Noah had resentment about Phyllis breaking up his parent’s marriage. It would be an amazing commupence for Noah to expose the lie and manipulation. 

6 minutes ago, AMCHistory said:

I would love Noah to be brought into this story. Younger Noah had resentment about Phyllis breaking up his parent’s marriage. It would be an amazing commupence for Noah to expose the lie and manipulation. 

That would require Noah to actually be seen-something the show is reluctant to do.

I find the story humorous, Summer is lying to protect Phyllis when everyone else is lying to her I can imagine what that will be like.

Summer: I knew my mom was alive this whole time.

Kyle: me too!

 

 

This Phyllis story has been so botched.

Edited May 13, 20232 yr by Faulkner

19 minutes ago, Faulkner said:

This Phyllis story has been so botched.

Sadly, @Faulkner, I agree.  I should be waiting on proverbial pins and needles for the big moment when Phyllis reveals herself to be very much alive to all of GC.  Instead, I'm just waiting for it all to be over.

I really tried to get re-engaged in this show but it is proving to be a tough slog and the entertainment level is very low.

5 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

I really tried to get re-engaged in this show but it is proving to be a tough slog and the entertainment level is very low.

I just would like to understand Phyllis' goal in faking her own death.  Obviously, she's doing it to punish Diane, but...wouldn't that mean Phyllis would have to STAY "dead"?  Or, am I missing something?

To me, what Phyllis is doing is hurting herself and her kids more than it's hurting Diane.  I could be wrong, but I don't think she has thought this all the way through, lol.

39 minutes ago, Faulkner said:

 

This Phyllis story has been so botched.

 

There are only 2 ways out for Phyllis:

1) She actually finds herself in danger, like kidnapped for real by a back from the dead Stark

2) She does things unimpeachably heroic, like saving Harrison from imminent death 

If not, this is a “hate” and not a “love to hate” moment for the character. Dragging the kids into the storyline is doing her no favours. 

1 minute ago, Khan said:

I just would like to understand Phyllis' goal in faking her own death.  Obviously, she's doing it to punish Diane, but...wouldn't that mean Phyllis would have to STAY "dead"?  Or, am I missing something?

To me, what Phyllis is doing is hurting herself and her kids more than it's hurting Diane.  I could be wrong, but I don't think she has thought this all the way through, lol.

What’s missing is a storyline with an actual purpose. What’s showing up onscreen doesn’t make much sense. Phyllis, a character once portrayed as usually so cunning that she was generally steps ahead of everyone else, didn’t think beyond a revenge plot against Diane to consider that she would jeopardize her own freedom and future by colluding with a known criminal and partaking in criminal activities?

3 minutes ago, AMCHistory said:

There are only 2 ways out for Phyllis:

1) She actually finds herself in danger, like kidnapped for real by a back from the dead Stark

2) She does things unimpeachably heroic, like saving Harrison from imminent death 

If not, this is a “hate” and not a “love to hate” moment for the character. Dragging the kids into the storyline is doing her no favours. 

I agree.  Phyllis' "death" has to backfire on her in some glorious way, or it's just going to make her look crazier than she already does; and instead of showing everyone how dangerous Diane is, she'll end up having everybody side with Diane against her!  (And if that's how Diane is playing things, then, well played, girl!)

I find myself inventing stories and subtext for this show, as it is severely lacking. The only interesting aspect of Daniel’s clash with Summer as it illustrates, writ large, the argument of “nature vs nurture”, with Summer being a product of being raised by Phyllis, while Daniel (exhibiting some sense of conscience) is obviously a product of being raised by Danny Romalotti.

5 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

What’s missing is a storyline with an actual purpose. What’s showing up onscreen doesn’t make much sense. Phyllis, a character once portrayed as usually so cunning that she was generally steps ahead of everyone else, didn’t think beyond a revenge plot against Diane to consider that she would jeopardize her own freedom and future by colluding with a known criminal and partaking in criminal activities?

I agree!

17 minutes ago, AMCHistory said:

Dragging the kids into the storyline is doing her no favours. 

And doing them no favors.