4 minutes ago, Vee said:

Ashland finessing Nate with his fake cancer is not exactly a ringing endorsement for his skills.

This is true! Olivia needs to come back to Genoa City just so we can have her grab him by the ear and send him back to med school.

Nate's skill set includes looking handsome, feigning concern for others, being offered (and accepting) multiple jobs, living in phantom properties, engaging in a non romance with a bland woman and generally being a waste of space.

Sure is pretty though...

OK let's break down Y&R's latest story.

After being ignored by several regimes over the years, the decision is made to reference Keemo.

For most viewers he would be an unknown quantity, especially when Jack has not mentioned him in specific discussions about family and fatherhood.

So good storytelling would be to mention him prior to the story beginning eg at Xmas.

Didn't happen.

Y&R then decide to establish that up until recently Jack and Keemo had a solid relationship, which contradicts everything played onscreen. Keemo never appeared or was mentioned during family crises and celebrations-highly unlikely under those circumstances.

Surely it would be more appropriate for Jack to state that he and Keemo had been estranged for years to the point they had lost contact.

Not unreasonable for an adult son to have difficulty bonding with a newfound family, especially as Keemo was quite a prickly character.

Moving on - the decision was made to kill off Keemo. OK, an adult son for Jack may not be the best fit story wise whereas a young female relative has more story potential.

So the stage is set to have Jack to attempt to get close to this new character who brings some diversity to the canvas. Lot's of potential there.

But within a week or so we get the Diane reveal.

So in addition to the long lost relative they pile on Back from the Dead.

A character who we saw die onscreen who has nothing to do with the other story. So now we have to swallow some ridiculous story about a fake death.

In bringing back Diane we know have to deal with Kyle, her son.

But Kyle had already been written into a corner by unwisely marrying him off (for the 3rd time) and giving him a kid.

Now if Kyle returns long term they have to deal with Summer and Harrison.

Will be interesting to see this play out onscreen. 

 

Listen, I'm putting a pin in that because I'm still trying to wrap my head around the current 'climax' to the Ashland story where he just walks out on Victoria when he's confronted and that's it. That can't be all!!

On 3/23/2022 at 7:30 PM, Faulkner said:

Diane’s entrance should have been an event, and not the throwaway, blink-and-you-missed-it shot that it was. A little finesse goes a long way.

Bill Bell would present such an entrance like something from a Hitchcock film. 

At this point the show just should go for broke and have Ashland being a Prentiss family member after all and went after Newman as a means for revenge based on instructions from an undead 102-year old Vanessa Prentiss living in a snazzy Barcelona nursing home villa 🤣🤣🤣

@soapfan770 Why are you giving Josh Griffith ideas to ruin one of Bill Bell's most unforgettable characters?

8 minutes ago, kalbir said:

@soapfan770 Why are you giving Josh Griffith ideas to ruin one of Bill Bell's most unforgettable characters?

Lol I jest for sure @kalbir but have been very puzzled by all TPTB decisions as of late, as if they have Finally realized how slow they have been to react. Pretty much all storylines like Ashland faking and Diane’s return came out of nowhere overnight I feel like the entire Y&R writing will be dismissed at some point soon. 

7 hours ago, soapfan770 said:

At this point the show just should go for broke and have Ashland being a Prentiss family member after all and went after Newman as a means for revenge based on instructions from an undead 102-year old Vanessa Prentiss living in a snazzy Barcelona nursing home villa 🤣🤣🤣

RC would definitely do it.

On 3/25/2022 at 2:31 AM, Paul Raven said:

OK let's break down Y&R's latest story.

After being ignored by several regimes over the years, the decision is made to reference Keemo.

For most viewers he would be an unknown quantity, especially when Jack has not mentioned him in specific discussions about family and fatherhood.

So good storytelling would be to mention him prior to the story beginning eg at Xmas.

Didn't happen.

Y&R then decide to establish that up until recently Jack and Keemo had a solid relationship, which contradicts everything played onscreen. Keemo never appeared or was mentioned during family crises and celebrations-highly unlikely under those circumstances.

Surely it would be more appropriate for Jack to state that he and Keemo had been estranged for years to the point they had lost contact.

Not unreasonable for an adult son to have difficulty bonding with a newfound family, especially as Keemo was quite a prickly character.

Moving on - the decision was made to kill off Keemo. OK, an adult son for Jack may not be the best fit story wise whereas a young female relative has more story potential.

So the stage is set to have Jack to attempt to get close to this new character who brings some diversity to the canvas. Lot's of potential there.

But within a week or so we get the Diane reveal.

So in addition to the long lost relative they pile on Back from the Dead.

A character who we saw die onscreen who has nothing to do with the other story. So now we have to swallow some ridiculous story about a fake death.

In bringing back Diane we know have to deal with Kyle, her son.

But Kyle had already been written into a corner by unwisely marrying him off (for the 3rd time) and giving him a kid.

Now if Kyle returns long term they have to deal with Summer and Harrison.

Will be interesting to see this play out onscreen. 

 

Jack did state that they had been estranged for years.

2 hours ago, Antoyne said:

Jack did state that they had been estranged for years.

And didn't he also say he was too embarassed to tell family members. 

Wouldn't they wonder what happened? I can't imagine Traci not being concerned that Keemo was no longer a part of the family?

21 hours ago, kalbir said:

@soapfan770 Why are you giving Josh Griffith ideas to ruin one of Bill Bell's most unforgettable characters?

Don't worry.  Josh doesn't read the message boards.  The voices in his head tell him it's not a good idea.

(I'M KIDDING!)

I think most fans have given up on this show ever returning to Bell's stylized melodrama, but would it kill them to hire people who could at least write something resembling conflict, and one coherent and interesting story? 

It's not just the fact Y&R has strayed far from its roots, but it's more so the show is so damn uninteresting/boring and has not been able to tell one damn consistent story for like the past 15 years. If they wanted to change Y&R's signature style, fine (begrudgingly), but at least write something interesting. 

Like others, I do wonder if a lot of what's happening now with Allie/Keemo and Diane is rather hastily added on. It's got actual, potential life to it unlike most of what Griffith does. The Ashland story could very easily fizzle out too.

Y&R today is simply cruising on its audience loyalty and a very thin budget, marking time. There doesn't seem to have been any compelling interest in shaking anything up or out of moribund torpor for a long while. The attempts to turn it into a Fronsian ABCD soap didn't really take off, but the echoes of that are all that's really left. So these recent changes (while nothing particularly spectacular so far) are surprising.

Edited March 27, 20223 yr by Vee

Chelsea and Rey being friends is unbelievable. Why is he even talking to her after what she did? I'm back here again. I decided I'm done with that other soap website. I got tired of the mods deleting my threads for no reason. The last 2 threads I posted were removed the same day I posted them. I'm done wasting my time there. I remember someone else posting a thread that called the mods a really bad word. LOL