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58 minutes ago, Antoyne said:

Will is literally best friends [!@#$%^&*] buddies in prison with the man that strangled him to death.

 

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8 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Yeah, they were supposed to be the same person, but the storylines were written by two different writers so there were a few continuity errors. I think, though I'm not sure, that when it all came out in 98-99, it was said that Stefano had wiped the Princess Gina memories from Hope right before she was discovered alive back in 94. 

 

This time, Rolf injected her with some kind of serum that he developed. He even said to himself at one point that he didn't need the chip anymore. I think he did this now to get back at Hope for shooting the real Stefano.

So wait this serum literally has the ability to give Hope all of Princess Gina's memories, when Gina has been dead for 20 years? What the hell did Gina think when she first woke up as Hope, that she had been sleeping? Thank you so much for all the responses. I took a long break from actually watching the show recently so this is all confusing to me.

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13 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

I think he did this now to get back at Hope for shooting the real Stefano.

 

Because, abducting and/or killing someone close to Hope, in the words of my late grandmother, "would be too much like doing right."

 

3 minutes ago, Antoyne said:

So wait this serum literally has the ability to give Hope all of Princess Gina's memories, when Gina has been dead for 20 years? What the hell did Gina think when she first woke up as Hope, that she had been sleeping?

 

"Forget it, @Antoyne, it's Chinatown."

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7 minutes ago, Antoyne said:

So wait this serum literally has the ability to give Hope all of Princess Gina's memories, when Gina has been dead for 20 years? What the hell did Gina think when she first woke up as Hope, that she had been sleeping? Thank you so much for all the responses. I took a long break from actually watching the show recently so this is all confusing to me.

You're welcome.

 

What the serum can or cannot do hasn't really been made clear. I think they sort of just glossed over it.

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36 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Fasten your seatbelt because this is gonna sound interesting, convoluted and a little stupid all at the same time lol

 

The real Princess Gina, who looked exactly like Hope, was an art thief and forger that worked for Stefano. Stefano would have paintings stolen and Gina would paint exact copies to put in place of the real paintings. John, who at the time was still Stefano's pawn was her accomplice and they were in love. But when Stefano took John away to turn him into Roman, Gina was so heartbroken that she couldn't paint anymore. Eventually, Stefano noticed the resemblance between Hope and Gina and decided to use Hope as a replacement. He locked Gina in a chateau in France and kidnapped Hope when she "died" during the Cruise of Deception. He then had Rolf implant a chip in Hope's brain, which turned her into Princess Gina. And while Hope was "dead" for four years, she was often in Europe being Princess Gina. When she wasn't, Stefano kept her at Maison Blanche, which is were John and everyone found her in 1994. (This all happened off screen, but was revealed around 1998-1999)

 

On screen, in 1999, Stefano had Hope turned back into Princess Gina in order to steal one last painting. Somehow, Gina found about this, and also that John was actually still alive. Eventually, Hope ended up at the chateau where Gina imprisoned her and impersonated Hope. Gina, as Hope, married Bo, but at the reception it was discovered who she was. She then pulled a gun, tried to shoot Marlena and Shawn Douglas. Her and Bo struggled over the gun and she was shot and killed. Eventually, Bo rescued Hope and John got the chip out of her brain.

 

Remember when all Hope had to do was take off with Bo on his motorcycle?  I miss those DAYS.

 

Thanks, @AbcNbc247!

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7 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

Remember when all Hope had to do was take off with Bo on his motorcycle?  I miss those DAYS.

 

Thanks, @AbcNbc247!

You're welcome. 

 

Sadly, I wasn't born yet, so the sci-fi/OTT stuff is where my memories begin lol 

 

I'm grateful everyday that we have sites like YouTube where we can watch vintage soap clips, especially vintage Bo and Hope.

 

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25 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Yeah, they were supposed to be the same person, but the storylines were written by two different writers so there were a few continuity errors. I think, though I'm not sure, that when it all came out in 98-99, it was said that Stefano had wiped the Princess Gina memories from Hope right before she was discovered alive back in 94. 

 

This time, Rolf injected her with some kind of serum that he developed. He even said to himself at one point that he didn't need the chip anymore. I think he did this now to get back at Hope for shooting the real Stefano.

 

Wasn't the real Princess Gina also supposed to be 20 years older than Hope? I remember seeing Kristian Alfonso in old-age make-up playing Gina at least once, many years ago.  At one point, I believe it was said Hope only resembled Gina.  They weren't originally identical.  I think much of that has been changed by later head-writers. Does anyone else remember any of this?  

 

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7 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

I'm grateful everyday that we have sites like YouTube where we can watch vintage soap clips, especially vintage Bo and Hope.

 

ICAM.

 

1 minute ago, Neil Johnson said:

Wasn't the real Princess Gina also supposed to be 20 years older than Hope? I remember seeing Kristian Alfonso in old-age make-up playing Gina at least once, many years ago.

 

Now, see, I thought the explanation was that the real Princess Gina was (roughly) the same age as Hope, but had aged prematurely due to mental illness and being locked up for so long by Stefano.

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4 minutes ago, Neil Johnson said:

 

Wasn't the real Princess Gina also supposed to be 20 years older than Hope? I remember seeing Kristian Alfonso in old-age make-up playing Gina at least once, many years ago.  At one point, I believe it was said Hope only resembled Gina.  They weren't originally identical.  I think much of that has been changed by later head-writers. Does anyone else remember any of this?  

You're right, Gina was supposed to be older than Hope. I'm not sure but I think she might have had plastic surgery at some point after she decided to impersonate Hope.

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4 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

Now, see, I thought the explanation was that the real Princess Gina was (roughly) the same age as Hope, but had aged prematurely due to mental illness and being locked up for so long by Stefano.

 

Gina was in fact meant to be much older than Hope. After all, Gina had a grown up daughter Greta, and Greta was supposedly already grown when Hope dissappeared thanks to Ernesto, as the writers retconned it so that Ernesto switched Greta and Hope at the last minute and Greta was in the cage when it exploded on Ernesto's island.

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And then there's my pet theory, which is that the Hope you're seeing now is not the real Hope, who is still alive, and being held captive with the real Roman (Wayne Northrop's Roman, not Drake Hogestyn's, or even Josh Taylor's), the real Marlena (who hasn't been in Salem since '87) and the real Bo (who disappeared while sailing around the world with his wife).

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48 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Yeah, they were supposed to be the same person, but the storylines were written by two different writers so there were a few continuity errors. I think, though I'm not sure, that when it all came out in 98-99, it was said that Stefano had wiped the Princess Gina memories from Hope right before she was discovered alive back in 94. 

 

This time, Rolf injected her with some kind of serum that he developed. He even said to himself at one point that he didn't need the chip anymore. I think he did this now to get back at Hope for shooting the real Stefano.

How far soap opera technology has come! - in 1999, Rolf and Stefano actually had to wait for a satellite in orbit to get into the right position to activate the chip lol! And the whole plan was almost ruined by a blizzard.

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12 hours ago, AbcNbc247 said:

You're welcome.

 

What the serum can or cannot do hasn't really been made clear. I think they sort of just glossed over it.

Oh god. The Gina and Steveano stuff is my least favorite thing going on outside of Will being best friends with the guy who killed him.

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14 hours ago, Antoyne said:

I've been enjoying the Lani/Kristen friendship and Kristen actually surprisingly feels like a viable character now and I don't hate Lani right now. But she's a total dumbass to not just tell Eli what Gabi is doing. That's really poor writing. I'm liking JJ spiraling out of control. I liked Kristen pumping Lani up for them to return to Salem.

 

I think most people are in agreement that the Lani/Kristen friendship is one of the things that actually work with the time jump - Kristen badly needed to come back to planet Earth to be viable as a long term character and Lani desperately needed some edge and stop being a doormat. It's like Ron - shock horror - actually took notice of what didn't work for each character and decided to fix it by pairing them up. I'll have to give him credit for that one since I wouldn't have thought of it, but at the same time I have to wonder if he was just pulling character names out of a hat and accidentally paired them together as opposed to a conscious decision about what the characters needed (especially with Will and Ben in jail).

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